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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 16, 2006 3:17:00 GMT
That's very interesting that you don't find a listing for CKLW or CFPL, I do clearly remember the Daleks, and my friends and I discussing the series. It's not that I haven't found; it's that I haven't looked! It wouldn't be in the Toronto papers; you'd have to check the Kitchener, London, Windsor, or perhaps Detroit papers. It's not impossible that it was aired in those cities at the same time as the rest of CBC (though to date, I haven't seen info that any of the non-CBC-owned affiliates aired Who - but that doesn't mean none didn't. And if they did air it; it is entirely possible that BBC Enterprises shipped them the films after CBC aired them, or there were additional prints in possession of BBC Enterprises in Toronto. Oh wait a minute, CKLW was not a CBC affiliate but in the 60s it carried a mixture of CTV and CBC programming since it was the only Canadian station serving south west Ontario.. If it carried CBC programming, if only some, it would have been a CBC affiliate. It could have also been a CTV affiliate (in the same manner that CJON in Newfoundland still carries both Global and CTV programming to this day!). The CBC-owned stations (such as Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and Halifax, etc.) are not referred to as affiliates. [quote author=stevewilliams board=who thread=1147059979 post=1158373969my cousin told me she was watching Dr. Who in Calgary, but it could be the time compression of memory again.[/quote]CBC didn't own a Calgary station until 1975 - but I have never checked what the affiliate there (CFAC) was airing back then. I believe though the CBC owned an Edmonton station since 1961, so that should have aired Doctor Who in 1965. If Hartnell was not bicycled, then the chances of finding prints in Canada are about zero, since the CBC head office would have destroyed or returned the prints as per the BBC's license, whereas a regional station is more likely to have misplaced or kept the prints. Pretty much ... though even the regional stations still holding would be unlikely - and unless someone can track down some evidence they broadcast it in a different time slot than the CBC network aired it, there isn't even much point knocking on their door!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 16, 2006 3:21:02 GMT
I have an obvious question, do you have any EXACT dates of first and last airings of Who in 1965? I can compare it it with where I was living and when. I haven't checked every single date, but the best information I have is: Unearthly Child - Jan 23, 1965 to Feb 20 (Saturdays 5 pm) The Daleks - Feb 27, 1965 to April 3, 1965. Edge of Destruction - April 21, 1965 to April 28 (moved to Wednesday at 5 pm) Marco Polo - May 5, 1965 to June 16 Keys of Marinus - June 23, 1965 to July 28, 1965. Nick
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 16, 2006 3:23:56 GMT
and I take it you don't have car trunk sales? I think the only thing you'd seen sold from cars here is drugs. We have garage sales (which never seem to be garages) and yard sales .... essentially you put all the junk you don't want in your front yard and driveway, and for some reason, your neighbours pay to take it away. And we also have flea markets, which is probably the closest to a car boot sale. Everyone gathers at this large, empty building, but takes their stuff inside. Or perhaps outside on tables, depending on the weather. I've never seen films at any of these - though I don't make it a habit of frequenting them.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 16, 2006 13:45:12 GMT
and I take it you don't have car trunk sales? I think the only thing you'd seen sold from cars here is drugs. We have garage sales (which never seem to be garages) and yard sales .... essentially you put all the junk you don't want in your front yard and driveway, and for some reason, your neighbours pay to take it away. And we also have flea markets, which is probably the closest to a car boot sale. Everyone gathers at this large, empty building, but takes their stuff inside. Or perhaps outside on tables, depending on the weather. I've never seen films at any of these - though I don't make it a habit of frequenting them. we don't have garage sales but we have flea markets and drug dealers, but like you I don't realy go that often (I don't mean I don't go to the drug sales often)
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Post by stevewilliams on Sept 16, 2006 21:20:06 GMT
I have an obvious question, do you have any EXACT dates of first and last airings of Who in 1965? I can compare it it with where I was living and when. I haven't checked every single date, but the best information I have is: Unearthly Child - Jan 23, 1965 to Feb 20 (Saturdays 5 pm) The Daleks - Feb 27, 1965 to April 3, 1965. Edge of Destruction - April 21, 1965 to April 28 (moved to Wednesday at 5 pm) Marco Polo - May 5, 1965 to June 16 Keys of Marinus - June 23, 1965 to July 28, 1965. Nick That's incredible, that exactly jibes. we moved from Halifax (Dartmouth actually) in late May 1965, which explains why I was frustrated at not seeing the conclusion of Marco Polo for a second time since we moved from Britain during the run of Marco Polo on the BBC. Now it's possible that I saw the rest of Marco Polo just once in Sarnia, and that in fact the series was not started from the beginning when I moved there. But my contemporary impression, my "memory of my memory," was of the whole thing airing from "Unearthly Child" yet again. I never saw any episode of "Keys of Marinus" until 1985, I can't believe I would have missed it if it aired in Southern Ontario. Another thing, not specific to Dr. Who, is that the CBC did indeed have a mature microwave network, but do not forget that Canada is the world's second-largest country stretching across five time zones. a Network program, to air during the same time slot, would have to be relayed from the source studio five times, meaning five networks would have to be active. More often a program would be sent out once then each market would tape it for later playback. For a Saturday afternoon "kiddie" program it would make full economic sense for the source print to be mailed from one market to the next. saving the cost of network resources and delay broadcast engineering. So indeed the show might have been "Bicycled" week-by-week, - even by Quad tape rather than the film.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 17, 2006 3:03:15 GMT
CBC had facilities along the microwave network in the west, to tape the transmission temporarily to tape, and play it back an hour, or two, or three later. So there would have been temporarily an episode on video-tape. But it's extraordinarily unlikely the tape ever lasted even a few hours before it was re-used.
Not quite sure how they handled the Atlantic time-zone back then ... but I would guess that it would involve playing out the film to Atlantic Canada, on one of the (two?) microwave channels ...
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