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Post by Greg H on May 9, 2006 21:21:44 GMT
I hear what your saying mate, some people just did their job, others were........Well........It may well have been worth someone in the BBC at the time to have saved a single copy of good programs or to check that prints were actually un-needed, sure the prints may have seemed to have outlived their exportability but it wouldnt have killed the BBC to have checked that it still had a copy of things somewhere, it just killed Dr Who. and I dont think a living soul on this planet is especially glad about that. Someone IS at fault here and it most CERTAINLY IS the BBC, that was the BBC 30 years ago. They may have changed management a few times since then but i'll never have much love for the BBC. They have created a large bit of baggage that I carry around with me and im not greatful frankly. Nuff said. This debate has been done to death, I suppose its just left to us fans to try and pick up the pieces, and then share them with the world. Props to you Steve for your efforts
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 8, 2006 23:09:12 GMT
A small revision, I left England during the run of Marco Polo (four episodes had gone by I remember) but subsequently saw all of Marco Polo in Halifax plus the first episode of "Keys" before we moved again, not the other way around. I don't believe any Hartnell kinescopes have been found in Canada. It does appear that just one set of prints was being bicycled across Canada, East to West, and that early Doctor Who was never a network program. No evidence it was ever bicycled ... Checking TV listings in various newspapers across Canada, it was aired in the same time-slot on the CBC-network owned stations. I've personally checked Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and I think Halifax, and they all aired the same episode in the same time-slot - at least for the first few weeks. However, at that time, it wasn't aired on any of the then affiliates I checked (CKVR, CFPL). I've checked CKVR quite carefully through the 1960s into the 1970s, and never seen any trace of airings (though they did air some Z-Cars, as I've noted on this forum in the past). It would be interesting to check CFPL and CKLW again - if you have more information about what you remember airing, I'd be interested to hear it!
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Post by Martin Dunne on Sept 9, 2006 16:18:41 GMT
This is one of the things that pointed to it being cycled in Australia--same time slot prior to coaxial or microwave links. Anyone know 'bout CBC's links in the 1960s?
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Post by Geoff Sear on Sept 11, 2006 0:33:54 GMT
I know Drew from mount vernon arts lab put out tomb of the cybermen OST on his own label Oh, was that Drew from Mount Vernon Arts Lab/Mount Vernon Astral Temple? I never knew that, but I've just been listening to the Mount vernon Astral Temple 'Musick the Destroys Itself" cd,and it's quite a time-transporting piece of sound. I'm not surprised to hear he's a WHO fan to some degree!
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Post by Greg H on Sept 11, 2006 13:11:15 GMT
Yeah, I havent conversed with him in some time, but he was responsible for that CD. A really nice quality release, lovely packaging too I seem to recall getting a few 7"s off of him a long time ago and chatting about 60s sci fi.
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Post by John Negrych on Sept 11, 2006 13:45:42 GMT
Again, referring to a question I asked in another thread ... I was also looking for any airdates of colour Pertwee who on CBC. Also: What was the fate of the Marco Polo prints after airing on CBC? Is it possible that film collectors have any, and they might turn up at car boot sales? In Canada, cars don't have boots.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 12, 2006 8:54:01 GMT
What would be the equivalent?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 13, 2006 2:30:52 GMT
This is one of the things that pointed to it being cycled in Australia--same time slot prior to coaxial or microwave links. Anyone know 'bout CBC's links in the 1960s? Yeah, the coast-to-coast microwave network was getting a bit old by 1965 :-) It was completed in 1958 - archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-1631-11238/science_technology/early_radio-tv/clip9 (there's even 1950's viedeo) Given the network was in place at this time, and it was aired simultaneously nation-wide, there is no reason to believe that CBC had anything more than a single 16-mm film print, that it fed into it's then quite mature network.
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Post by John Negrych on Sept 13, 2006 21:18:37 GMT
What would be the equivalent? They're called trunks here. Just in case anyone is confused.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Sept 14, 2006 7:05:39 GMT
Wow! Thanks for that Nick! And in the same time in Australia we were just getting coaxial cables laid, experimenting with relays over the Blue Mountains (which didn't work) and airborn relays (which worked until the fuel ran out)!
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Post by William Martin on Sept 14, 2006 16:37:46 GMT
What would be the equivalent? They're called trunks here. Just in case anyone is confused. and I take it you don't have car trunk sales?
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Post by John Negrych on Sept 14, 2006 19:18:04 GMT
heh... not to my knowledge.
They come with the car.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 15, 2006 15:53:03 GMT
Good point
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Post by stevewilliams on Sept 16, 2006 2:32:49 GMT
A small revision, I left England during the run of Marco Polo (four episodes had gone by I remember) but subsequently saw all of Marco Polo in Halifax plus the first episode of "Keys" before we moved again, not the other way around. I don't believe any Hartnell kinescopes have been found in Canada. It does appear that just one set of prints was being bicycled across Canada, East to West, and that early Doctor Who was never a network program. No evidence it was ever bicycled ... Checking TV listings in various newspapers across Canada, it was aired in the same time-slot on the CBC-network owned stations. I've personally checked Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and I think Halifax, and they all aired the same episode in the same time-slot - at least for the first few weeks. However, at that time, it wasn't aired on any of the then affiliates I checked (CKVR, CFPL). I've checked CKVR quite carefully through the 1960s into the 1970s, and never seen any trace of airings (though they did air some Z-Cars, as I've noted on this forum in the past). It would be interesting to check CFPL and CKLW again - if you have more information about what you remember airing, I'd be interested to hear it! That's very interesting that you don't find a listing for CKLW or CFPL, I do clearly remember the Daleks, and my friends and I discussing the series. I lived in Sarnia so I can't think of any other station that would have been carrying the series. It's possible my memory could distort the time of the run of a serial during which I moved, but I did see the start of Marco Polo three times... Hmm. Oh wait a minute, CKLW was not a CBC affiliate but in the 60s it carried a mixture of CTV and CBC programming since it was the only Canadian station serving south west Ontario. It could very well have not carried a current CBC network program but rather aired it later on. The reason I thought the series was being bicycled is that it was after seeing Marco Polo in Halifax then Sarnia that my cousin told me she was watching Dr. Who in Calgary, but it could be the time compression of memory again. I vaguely remember seeing one or two episodes only of Z-cars after leaving Britain, but that was in Halifax, not Sarnia. If Hartnell was not bicycled, then the chances of finding prints in Canada are about zero, since the CBC head office would have destroyed or returned the prints as per the BBC's license, whereas a regional station is more likely to have misplaced or kept the prints.
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Post by stevewilliams on Sept 16, 2006 2:38:12 GMT
A small revision, I left England during the run of Marco Polo (four episodes had gone by I remember) but subsequently saw all of Marco Polo in Halifax plus the first episode of "Keys" before we moved again, not the other way around. I don't believe any Hartnell kinescopes have been found in Canada. It does appear that just one set of prints was being bicycled across Canada, East to West, and that early Doctor Who was never a network program. No evidence it was ever bicycled ... Checking TV listings in various newspapers across Canada, it was aired in the same time-slot on the CBC-network owned stations. I've personally checked Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and I think Halifax, and they all aired the same episode in the same time-slot - at least for the first few weeks. ! I have an obvious question, do you have any EXACT dates of first and last airings of Who in 1965? I can compare it it with where I was living and when.
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