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Post by LanceM on Mar 2, 2006 17:20:09 GMT
Too many, but it is still fun to think about though. I don't actually expect the guys at the BBC to start checking through mountains of 30-40 year old paparwork to try to find a reference. I guess it is the thought that counts here. But, if anything was recovered in this fashon I would be extremely surprised to say the least.
Lance.
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Post by williamM on Mar 3, 2006 10:48:14 GMT
Agreed, but I also meant paperwork that may point to possible locations of missing material, but as you say there are very many if buts etc.
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Post by LanceM on Mar 3, 2006 19:08:39 GMT
Does anyone know if Paul or Ian are going to be looking into the BBC's paperwork for missing episodes as part of thier search ?
Lance.
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 3, 2006 20:18:08 GMT
how would someone go about looking, forgotten means no one would know. Would it mean checking old paperwork? it sounds difficult but worth a try. I don't think you could. Paperwork wouldn't be able to say "look in the bottom shelf of the cupboard at the end of the really long corridor on the top floor. Pick up the green files and underneath is..." There's so many ifs and maybes involved... I mentioned this in my last post above, but it got mushed in with the quote somehow: A newspaper in Alabama just discovered a box of photographs from the Civil Rights Era that had never been published before or had even seen the light of day. They were found in a closet, or something like that. Anything is possible.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 4, 2006 23:59:17 GMT
Does anyone know if Paul or Ian are going to be looking into the BBC's paperwork for missing episodes as part of thier search ? Lance. Pretty much every single box file and sheet of paper held at the BBC's Written Archives have been perused by someone interested in the history of DW. If any documentation regarding the movements of films is held, there are good chances someone has found it. But since the ones in a good position to actively do anything with the information - eg the Restroration Team, Andrew Pixley, et al - *haven't* discovered any such paperwork (yet), suggests to me that the documentation needed doesn't exist. Jon
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Post by LanceM on Mar 7, 2006 7:03:49 GMT
But there is still a possibility that there is still some material to be found. In any old BBC office, or such locations ( Such as the one where DMP 5 & 10 were found ).
Lance.
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Post by Steve Riley on Mar 7, 2006 21:36:47 GMT
Well, I'm new here (great forums by the way!) but in my experience, lost stuff usually turns up when you're NOT looking for it !!
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Post by Joshua Williams on Mar 19, 2006 9:45:03 GMT
You know look in documentary boxes we might find marco polo, the reign of terror, myth makers, mission to the unknown, tenth planet and so on so forth
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Post by Laurence Piper on Mar 19, 2006 11:47:44 GMT
Back to the original question, I don't know about the BBC (or DW) specifically, but i'm sure there must be "forgotten archives" out there of some description or other. They probably aren't labelled as such (hence why they are so) - maybe they are just neglected storerooms, vaults or warehouses - that might have film cans or ageing videotape in them. Who knows why they might be neglected though? Possibly they contain material trapped in a "copyright hell" and it maybe seems easier to ignore it altogether (perhaps as with some of the stuff reportedly existing at Pinewood), possibly the owners are genuinely of the view that the material is old and beyond saving (and therefore of no perceived value), possibly it is genuinely not known what is stored in the premises if they are just an obscure wing of a much larger premises. Could be a million reasons.
Stranger things have happened though; I recall that a hitherto untapped archive of recordings from Bill Graham's Fillmore, containing performances from many famous people that played there was uncovered about last year for the first time. It does happen. We also don't know what is in uncatalogued corners of many obscure foreign archives as yet, restoration and transfer not as far advanced (if indeed such a thing has happened at all as yet) in some countires with small and poorly funded TV organisations, despite what they may say as an official line if approached. There must be hundreds of such places.
So all in all, i'd say there was still a lot of potential for large amounts of missing TV to turn up. Personally, i'm waiting for a breakthrough with old Rediffusion material..!
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Post by Wright Blan on Mar 22, 2006 4:56:52 GMT
Back to the original question, I don't know about the BBC (or DW) specifically, but i'm sure there must be "forgotten archives" out there of some description or other. They probably aren't labelled as such (hence why they are so) - maybe they are just neglected storerooms, vaults or warehouses - that might have film cans or ageing videotape in them. Who knows why they might be neglected though? Possibly they contain material trapped in a "copyright hell" and it maybe seems easier to ignore it altogether (perhaps as with some of the stuff reportedly existing at Pinewood), possibly the owners are genuinely of the view that the material is old and beyond saving (and therefore of no perceived value), possibly it is genuinely not known what is stored in the premises if they are just an obscure wing of a much larger premises. Could be a million reasons. Stranger things have happened though; I recall that a hitherto untapped archive of recordings from Bill Graham's Fillmore, containing performances from many famous people that played there was uncovered about last year for the first time. It does happen. We also don't know what is in uncatalogued corners of many obscure foreign archives as yet, restoration and transfer not as far advanced (if indeed such a thing has happened at all as yet) in some countires with small and poorly funded TV organisations, despite what they may say as an official line if approached. There must be hundreds of such places. So all in all, i'd say there was still a lot of potential for large amounts of missing TV to turn up. Personally, i'm waiting for a breakthrough with old Rediffusion material..! I saw a report on the Fillmore archive on the CBS Sunday Morning show a few weeks ago. It's a pretty big deal, since it has concert recordings of Hendrix, The Dead, The Who, and many acts great and obscure.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Mar 22, 2006 13:05:35 GMT
Do you know if the archive is audio, video or both, by any chance?
I'm personally hoping there is some Barrett Pink Floyd ofsome kind in there somewhere..! I just hope there are plans afoot to make it available on CD / DVD.
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