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Post by LanceM on Nov 22, 2005 0:13:26 GMT
Hello All,
I have been looking up the history of the bicycled Doctor Who film prints from BBC Enterprises that were sent into Asia. In the early 1970's it appears that these film prints were sent from NZBC to Singapore. The television station which received these film prints, now no longer exists ( TV Singapura ). What happened to the film holdings of TV Singapura? Are there any film groups or private film collectors in Singapore? If anyone has any information, or thoughts concerning this subject then please leave a response.
Lance.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 22, 2005 1:24:14 GMT
Hello All, I have been looking up the history of the bicycled Doctor Who film prints from BBC Enterprises that were sent into Asia. In the early 1970's it appears that these film prints were sent from NZBC to Singapore. The television station which received these film prints, now no longer exists ( TV Singapura ). What happened to the film holdings of TV Singapura? Are there any film groups or private film collectors in Singapore? If anyone has any information, or thoughts concerning this subject then please leave a response. Lance. It's possible - note *possible* - Singapore sent the films back to BBC Sydney, which is where they originated from, and they ended up in the ABC film vaults - and this is where the last ep of The Celestial Toymaker was found... . Jon |
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Post by ethantyler on Nov 22, 2005 1:30:30 GMT
It's possible - note *possible* - Singapore sent the films back to BBC Sydney, which is where they originated from, and they ended up in the ABC film vaults - and this is where the last ep of The Celestial Toymaker was found... If that is the case then they were probably junked, right? |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 22, 2005 20:14:02 GMT
It's possible - note *possible* - Singapore sent the films back to BBC Sydney, which is where they originated from, and they ended up in the ABC film vaults - and this is where the last ep of The Celestial Toymaker was found... If that is the case then they were probably junked, right? Yes, that would most likely be the case. At this stage, AFAIK, no one knows about the ABC/Australian junking process to be able to say for certain. Jon |
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 23, 2005 6:07:39 GMT
Too true; in a similar vein Damian Shanahan had to deduce the censor clips were being weeded at the 30 year mark. No one wants to put their hand up as a junker.
It'd be good to even find someone involved with the ABC cycling.
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Post by Josh on Nov 23, 2005 14:12:04 GMT
Too true; in a similar vein Damian Shanahan had to deduce the censor clips were being weeded at the 30 year mark. No one wants to put their hand up as a junker. It'd be good to even find someone involved with the ABC cycling. How long ago where the Hartnell Censor Clips destroyed? Mid 90's? |
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 23, 2005 14:30:59 GMT
Presumably--Damian found clips under 30 years old (in "late" 1996), and none from prior to 1966. He presumed this meant a 30 year rule was determining the weeding. Or at least that's how he's described it, if anyone has more info I'd be grateful!
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Post by Scott J. on Nov 23, 2005 17:20:52 GMT
Presumably--Damian found clips under 30 years old (in "late" 1996), and none from prior to 1966. He presumed this meant a 30 year rule was determining the weeding. Or at least that's how he's described it, if anyone has more info I'd be grateful! I can't believe that clips from Marco Polo and Mission existed upto just 10 years ago, I hate to think what else could have been lost forever through this manner |
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 24, 2005 5:31:47 GMT
The earliest recovered was The Smugglers, which premiered in Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth on 19 May 1967. This suggests season three clips might have been weeded when near recovery or even during his investigation (which involved "seven months" of contact with the archive following April 1996). If they were so tight on their destruction (probably using classification or purchase rather than broadcast date) then Marco Polo and the rest of season one and two were well gone prior to this.
If you really want to freak out, consider the cautionary tale of Dallas Jones. Damian got the idea from Dallas who tried the same thing in 1984 only to be taken lightly by the authorities.
Moral: Never let their inertia stop you!
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Post by Wright Blan on Nov 24, 2005 20:58:12 GMT
From what I know of the workings of government, it is possible something could turn up even after all offical studies and replies claim that there's nothing there. Remember the Los Alimos missing laptop mess from several years back? It turned up behing a file cabinet or something quite after the govt. just about ruined the chief suspect's life.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 25, 2005 1:29:58 GMT
This is entirely true; what I see is people going on to say that this constituted positive criteria for the clips' destruction whereas I've never seen him claim this. Unless Damian's written this up post his Change of Identity interview I'm not familiar with it.
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 25, 2005 1:31:50 GMT
This is entirely true; what I see is people going on to say that this constituted positive criteria for the clips' destruction which isn't a claim Damian made in his Change of Identity interview.
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Nov 25, 2005 1:36:01 GMT
Too true; in a similar vein Damian Shanahan had to deduce the censor clips were being weeded at the 30 year mark. When I had a look at the Australian Archive's database in 1998(ish), the entire collection of censored clips (amounting to some 18.3 million items from 1956 onwards) was marked as "Retain Permanently" - although this could have been instituted once they realised something valuable was held within that collection. |
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Post by LanceM on Nov 25, 2005 19:03:29 GMT
Hello Again,
Did the Australian Archive have any film that was un-categorized? Rather, film that had not been used or viewed, or entered in their database. I was just wondering, this is related to a old rumor that the ABC had miscellaneous film in their collection. Did the ABC sell any of their film when the junking took place? Just wondering, if anyone has any info or insight you would like to share, then please leave a response.
Thanks, Lance.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Nov 27, 2005 0:05:15 GMT
I can't believe that clips from Marco Polo and Mission existed upto just 10 years ago, I hate to think what else could have been lost forever through this manner I doubt there were clips from Mission to the Unknown - the episode was rejected therefore there would be no need to edit it. |
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