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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 1, 2005 14:56:58 GMT
From your earlier post why doesn't the RT just tell us what was on the reel in question, was it blank or something non-Who? It is like there is a conspiracy to hush everything up. Good grief! You do like making something out of nothing, don't you Scott? No one has said what's on the reel because we don't have a clue at this stage - we're all about 150 miles away from where the thing is. Paul has made it perfectly clear that he's making arrangements to examine the films to make sure that there's nothing of value there, but that's certainly not going to be done for a few days. Richard
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Post by Scott J. on Oct 1, 2005 15:02:50 GMT
From your earlier post why doesn't the RT just tell us what was on the reel in question, was it blank or something non-Who? It is like there is a conspiracy to hush everything up. Good grief! You do like making something out of nothing, don't you Scott? No one has said what's on the reel because we don't have a clue at this stage - we're all about 150 miles away from where the thing is. Paul has made it perfectly clear that he's making arrangements to examine the films to make sure that there's nothing of value there, but that's certainly not going to be done for a few days. Richard So , let me get this right. You don't have a clue what is on the film at the moment so you are 100% sure that there is no Doctor Who = right? Has the seller actually checked enough of the reel to deduce this or what?
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Post by Jeff Stone on Oct 1, 2005 15:07:04 GMT
Firing off a broadside? At whom, precisely? Not you, Richard, unless you believe this is somehow a criticism of you. Why you would think that baffles me. Baseless and inaccurate? I never claimed I had the facts. All I was doing was speculating on what little we;ve been told....and, unless this list is like a British Labour Party meeting, making your views heard is not actually a crime yet. As for whether they are baseless or inaccurate is for time to decide, not you, Richard. Unless, as a guy above says, you know more than we do. On what is, after all, not exactly a world-shattering topic, compared to, say, the Bali bombs that have just gone off and destroyed at least 9 human lives. I once again challenge you to refute a single thing I said. I am quite sane, Richard. I am also highly intelligent, and I know when people are trying to niggle me. Why is what I don't understand. It is not paranoid to note that every time I open my mouth on any given topic here, you or Brad Phipps almost instantly fire off some sarcastic smartarse remark. Tthe evidence is there on the Operation Go And Look page. Here's a tip...why not just IGNORE ME if you think my opinions are so valueless? Oh, I'm boring myself here! It might be real, it probably isn't. In the end, as you say, time will tell. I have no idea why you feel you have to patronise me, Mr Bignell. I have done nothing to you, and I not imagining this. Just leave me alone.
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Post by Scott J. on Oct 1, 2005 15:22:04 GMT
Here is the story,of the tapes, nothing new just an accident: FROM THE LOOSE CANON MESSAGE BOARD
Ref : Dr Who - Misson to the Unknown 16mm Film Print
Unfortunately, it seems there has been a big misunderstanding here... One that I predicted would happen about a month ago, at the time I sent an e-mail to Steve Roberts at the Restoration Team website to explain all...
Several years ago, I produced an Archive Guide, which covered what existed at the BBC and in Private collections, this dates back to the early ninties. As part of this project I produced a couple of "Mock-Up" film cans that I labelled "Mission to the Unknown" using a cutting from The Doctor Who Programme Guide, and the second I labelled "Roof of the World" - if my memory serves me correct this is episode one of the 1964 epic "Marco Polo". The reason for this was simply to illistrate what film cans / film reels look like to the inexperienced Doctor Who fan. Although the film cans both contained film, If I remember there was a BP (British Patrolum) Training Film and some material I worked on years ago when I was at Bournemouth Film School !
So, how did these film cans end up on ebay....
Well, After completely forgetting about the films cans for the last 15 years or so, as well as a lot of other Doctor Who material (Books, Mags etc...) I recieved a call from my Brother who is based near Cambridge, he informed me he had sold the Doctor Who stuff for me, no problem - some extra money! However, he then explained he sold two film cans to an Antiques Dealer near Cambridge... opppsss... That's when I remember what I had labelled them as... he then told me that the dealer did not know what they where- other than Doctor Who and said he would put them on ebay.... As soon as he told me I tried to trace the Antiques dealer... with no luck.... But I predicted some thing like this would happen !
These are not Doctor Who! My appoligies to every Doctor Who fan, I know the importance of missing who material and it was not my intention for this to happen - also my appoligies to the Antiques Dealer who wasted there time putting them on ebay...
Hope this explains all....
Regards, Chas
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 1, 2005 15:23:35 GMT
It is not paranoid to note that every time I open my mouth on any given topic here, you or Brad Phipps almost instantly fire off some sarcastic smartarse remark. Tthe evidence is there on the Operation Go And Look page. Ah, you mean that very long thread made up of 80 posts, out of which only four were made by me, none of which were in response to your posts. But then this would be the same thread where you proceeded to get in a huff with *anyone* who wanted to point out holes in your ideas... Are you sure you're not paranoid? Richard
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Post by James Phillips on Oct 1, 2005 15:47:12 GMT
I have no idea why you feel you have to patronise me, Mr Bignell. I have done nothing to you, and I not imagining this. Just leave me alone. Christ, mate! Calm down!
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Post by LanceM on Oct 1, 2005 19:24:49 GMT
Well,
I guess all of the fans will just have to wait for the film reel to be examined, then we can all start making points based on fact, and not fandom. The only question is, how long will we have to wait.
Lance.
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Post by Scott J. on Oct 1, 2005 20:17:09 GMT
Well, I guess all of the fans will just have to wait for the film reel to be examined, then we can all start making points based on fact, and not fandom. The only question is, how long will we have to wait. Lance. It won't have any Who material on though, will it!
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 1, 2005 22:49:46 GMT
Richard, what are you trying to tell us, what do you know that we don't? I think he was just getting in another dig at me. For reasons known only to Richard, he goes out of his way to patronise me every time I say anything. It's childish, undeserved and ultimately only shows him up rather than his intended target. Geez, Jeff. From one kiwi to another - ligthen up a bit! Richard knows what he's talking about. Jon
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 1, 2005 22:52:32 GMT
Firing off a broadside? I once again challenge you to refute a single thing I said. I am quite sane, Richard. I am also highly intelligent, and I know when people are trying to niggle me. Why is what I don't understand. It is not paranoid to note that every time I open my mouth on any given topic here, you or Brad Phipps almost instantly fire off some sarcastic smartarse remark. Tthe evidence is there on the Operation Go And Look page. Here's a tip...why not just IGNORE ME if you think my opinions are so valueless? Oh, I'm boring myself here! It might be real, it probably isn't. In the end, as you say, time will tell. I have no idea why you feel you have to patronise me, Mr Bignell. I have done nothing to you, and I not imagining this. Just leave me alone. Geez, Jeff. From one kiwi to another, lighten upa bit! Richard knows what he's talking about. Jon
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 1, 2005 22:55:15 GMT
From your earlier post why doesn't the RT just tell us what was on the reel in question, was it blank or something non-Who? It is like there is a conspiracy to hush everything up. If it's not DW or another missing programme who cares what's on it? Jon
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Post by Ian Levine on Oct 1, 2005 23:56:03 GMT
Here's my reply from the seller, which sadly all ties in with the facts we've discovered about it all being a fake......
Dear Ian Thank you for contacting me. This cartridge and another was bought from a lad who had inherited a load of film stuff from his grandad that had died. The lad is obviously from decent background and seems quite genuine, we see him quite often in our shops and he has requested part time work. I think he genuinly thought it was old Dr Who film, and like myself, thought it was interesting but not particularly valuable. The other film cartridge was in an original box which has a BBC label on it for Dr Who, The Roof of the World. When we unravelled the reel it has something to do with Students in titles at the beginning and contains lots of spliced together clips of people working in labs, using photographic equiptment, some landscapes, one naughty bit, hovercrafts etc etc. It looks like a students work. The other reel is similar. I have only looked at a little but it is of a man boring a hole in a mine. I wonder if they were re-using the cartridges and may have disposed of the original film - perish the thought. Someone from the BBC rang me and I told him the number on the boxed reel - 2738/514/23 and he said it was interesting - whatever that means? He wants to borrow the reels to see if there is anything interesting on them. I wonder if he also wants to check out the cartridge to see if it once may have held the film? If I see my young lad, which I am sure I will, I will try and get some more info. Regards Elaine
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 1, 2005 23:59:47 GMT
From your earlier post why doesn't the RT just tell us what was on the reel in question, was it blank or something non-Who? It is like there is a conspiracy to hush everything up. If it's not DW or another missing programme who cares what's on it? Jon Well, plenty of people here for a start! Although it's quite obvious [now] that it isn't anything valueable, Doctor Who or otherwise.
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Post by Matthew K Sharp on Oct 2, 2005 0:33:57 GMT
Actually, Jeff, I've spotted a flaw. I hope you don't mind if I mention it. I'm really honestly not having a go. IT'S REAL - Alright, it's real. If so, why has this guy not provided any proof that it is? How hard would it be to spool the film onto a projector, play the film and take a video clip of, say, Marc Cory (no footage of him is known to exist) with a cellphone camera? If you're gonna play a few dozen feet, why not watch...I dunno...a few HUNDRED feet? Just to make sure? You're assuming that anyone who owns a piece of film also has access to a projector to view it. In this day and age, when 16mm projectors are thin on the ground, it's not always easy to find quick access to one. (In fact I don't know anyone who has a projector - last time I had to identify a bit of mystery 16mm, I had to have it telecined by a friend at another TV station.) It's not fun unspooling a reel of film by hand - you have to be careful or it goes everywhere! If you have to check the head of the film by unspooling it manually, you do as little as possible. The other thing is that a layperson would have no idea of the significance of Marc Cory or any other character in the show, or whether they turn up in other episodes. Don't forget that there are poor misguided people out there in the world who don't care much about Doctor Who and wouldn't even recognise a missing episode if it was waved under their noses (as was the case here, whereas you or I would see a film reel labeled "Mission To The Unknown" and have momentary heart failure...). I thought the outcome of this one was fascinating - neither real nor a hoax, but a real legitimate auction of a cod Who reel made up for non-hoax purposes. Brilliant!
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Post by Jeff Stone on Oct 2, 2005 7:44:30 GMT
So , let me get this right. You don't have a clue what is on the film at the moment so you are 100% sure that there is no Doctor Who = right? Has the seller actually checked enough of the reel to deduce this or what?[/quote]
See what I mean? And he accuses ME of not making any sense. Jeff
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