Missing Colour Pertwee's

[Gerard Peck]

Been a lurker on this board for a while thought I'd post a quick question. Been reading on this board about the great activity that some of you are doing to try and recover missing episodes, hopefully something will come of it. But I was wondering when you guys are contacting these Overseas TV Stations are you also asking about the Pertwee episodes. Whilst Pertwee is complete, there could be PAL episodes floating about in some of these stations. Given Dubai returned 'Death to the Daleks 1' back in the 90's, there could be more. Slim chance I know but worth asking. Going by DWM's Complete Third Doctor Special a few Middle Eastern countries seem to have brought Pertwee Episodes around the same time as Dubai. And whilst RSC looks great, you can't go past the PAL original. Just thought I'd ask.

[Wright Blan]

Since there are a handful of episodes that can't be rsc ("The Ambassadors of Death", for one, if I recall) asking might not be a bad thing.

[William Martin]

There may still be some off air videos in the US or Canada in colour (or should that be color in the circumstances) but by now they're probably "sticky taped" beyond recovery.

[LanceM]

And the slim chance that someone could or recorded it on VHS, they probably would of taped over it by now. I would like to see the Mind of Evil in color however. Something probably exists, I hope that more who material in general will be found. Do you think that there will be any more recoveries between this year and say 2010 ?

Lance.

[ethantyler]

lancem said:

Do you think that there will be any more recoveries between this year and say 2010 ?

It's hard to say. I would confidentally bet that something will resurface during that time, though not necessarily a missing episode. Bare in mind that in the past decade, we've had many audio, telesnap and clip recoveries, not to mention unedited episodes and better quality episodes.

Personally, I think that in the next five years, we will see at least one episode recovered, but there's nothing to suggest that, only my personal opinion. I don't think there will ever be more than one or two episodes returned in the future, sadly. On the other hand, I would think that there will be quite a few more less significant finds in future years.

[William Martin]

ethantyler said:

lancem said:

Do you think that there will be any more recoveries between this year and say 2010 ?

It's hard to say. I would confidentally bet that something will resurface during that time, though not necessarily a missing episode. Bare in mind that in the past decade, we've had many audio, telesnap and clip recoveries, not to mention unedited episodes and better quality episodes.

Personally, I think that in the next five years, we will see at least one episode recovered, but there's nothing to suggest that, only my personal opinion. I don't think there will ever be more than one or two episodes returned in the future, sadly. On the other hand, I would think that there will be quite a few more less significant finds in future years.

with all the ineterst at the moment it's probably slightly more likely than the last 5 and there were 2 in that period. any that still exist are in the hands on collectors(and you can kiss goodbye to them if any exist) or forgotten in lofts, attics, sheds and shelves of the blissfully ignorant.

[Steven Sigel]

william said:

ethantyler said:

It's hard to say. I would confidentally bet that something will resurface during that time, though not necessarily a missing episode. Bare in mind that in the past decade, we've had many audio, telesnap and clip recoveries, not to mention unedited episodes and better quality episodes.

Personally, I think that in the next five years, we will see at least one episode recovered, but there's nothing to suggest that, only my personal opinion. I don't think there will ever be more than one or two episodes returned in the future, sadly. On the other hand, I would think that there will be quite a few more less significant finds in future years.

with all the ineterst at the moment it's probably slightly more likely than the last 5 and there were 2 in that period. any that still exist are in the hands on collectors(and you can kiss goodbye to them if any exist) or forgotten in lofts, attics, sheds and shelves of the blissfully ignorant.

You know William - it never ceases to amaze me that some people have such a low opinion of collectors.

I'd like to remind you that collectors have turned in a large # of missing shows - both Dr. Who and others. And I'd also like to point out that there is no evidence at all that there are collectors out there who have material that they are holding back.

[Stephen Neve]

stevens said:

william said:

with all the ineterst at the moment it's probably slightly more likely than the last 5 and there were 2 in that period. any that still exist are in the hands on collectors(and you can kiss goodbye to them if any exist) or forgotten in lofts, attics, sheds and shelves of the blissfully ignorant.

You know William - it never ceases to amaze me that some people have such a low opinion of collectors.

I'd like to remind you that collectors have turned in a large # of missing shows - both Dr. Who and others. And I'd also like to point out that there is no evidence at all that there are collectors out there who have material that they are holding back.

Not entierly true Steven. There is as I am aware from a posting from a reliable source associated with the BBC posted many years ago on this forum, so I have no reason to doubt it, there has been known evidence of a group of about 3 collectors who were deliberatly hoarding a missing episode from a programme. I can't remember too many details but it may have been an adam adament or could have been a Benny Hill. Proof it can happen, although you are right in saying that there is no known evidence that Doctor who episodes are being hoarded. Although it would be a very small minority hoarding stuff, not every collector like some fans think.

[Steven Sigel]

Stephen said:

stevens said:

You know William - it never ceases to amaze me that some people have such a low opinion of collectors.

I'd like to remind you that collectors have turned in a large # of missing shows - both Dr. Who and others. And I'd also like to point out that there is no evidence at all that there are collectors out there who have material that they are holding back.

Not entierly true Steven. There is as I am aware from a posting from a reliable source associated with the BBC posted many years ago on this forum, so I have no reason to doubt it, there has been known evidence of a group of about 3 collectors who were deliberatly hoarding a missing episode from a programme. I can't remember too many details but it may have been an adam adament or could have been a Benny Hill. Proof it can happen, although you are right in saying that there is no known evidence that Doctor who episodes are being hoarded. Although it would be a very small minority hoarding stuff, not every collector like some fans think.

Hi Stephen --

There might be one or two isolated cases, but my point is that there's no vast conspiracy of collectors to prevent the rest of the world from seeing missing material...

[LanceM]

Quite a while ago I found a Doctor Who fan ( in Canada )who had taped old who into his vast collection. I inquired if he had any Baker episodes, which were not released commercially at the time. And he had them, complete with dated commercials. I asked him if he had seen any pertwee episodes such as Ambassadors of Death, and Mind of Evil. Which I described to him, and it jog a few memories. He was about to search his collection for me when he got busted by the Canadian officials, and persecuted for possessing pirated video material, and his entire collection was held by the government. I was wondering if it could be possible to contact the government ? And I also had another happening, I found a copied copy of the unreleased episodes of the Mutants. It had a label video spot for a Chicago television station. It also had some parts that had better video resolution than the BBC release. Such as when the Doctor, Joe, and the friends visit the home of the lost scientist, and there is a small quake. That segment on the BBC release appeared to tilt and get slightly unfocused. I was just curious about that. Any ideas or input, please leave a posting.

Thanks, Lance.

[Jim Norman]

lancem said:

He was about to search his collection for me when he got busted by the Canadian officials, and persecuted for possessing pirated video material, and his entire collection was held by the government. I was wondering if it could be possible to contact the government ?

I'm a little stunned by your naivety Lance. If your Canadian Who fan had his collection raided under piracy laws do you really think that someone is likely to want to pursue and succeed in getting the very same Canadian Government who passed those piracy laws to return some higher quality Pertwee material? Said Government has a few bigger fish to fry than having to deal with the bleatings of obsessed fans poking their noses into their business.
Worth a try admittedly but it won't be me....have a go Lance as I admire your optimism, these are international issues after all.

[Wright Blan]

lancem said:

Quite a while ago I found a Doctor Who fan ( in Canada )who had taped old who into his vast collection. I inquired if he had any Baker episodes, which were not released commercially at the time. And he had them, complete with dated commercials. I asked him if he had seen any pertwee episodes such as Ambassadors of Death, and Mind of Evil. Which I described to him, and it jog a few memories. He was about to search his collection for me when he got busted by the Canadian officials, and persecuted for possessing pirated video material, and his entire collection was held by the government. I was wondering if it could be possible to contact the government ? And I also had another happening, I found a copied copy of the unreleased episodes of the Mutants. It had a label video spot for a Chicago television station. It also had some parts that had better video resolution than the BBC release. Such as when the Doctor, Joe, and the friends visit the home of the lost scientist, and there is a small quake. That segment on the BBC release appeared to tilt and get slightly unfocused. I was just curious about that. Any ideas or input, please leave a posting.

Thanks, Lance.

I believe standard operating procedure with pirated material is to destroy it. I doubt the RCMP (or whichever Canadial law enforcement agency was involved). And I wonder if this guy was "persecuted" for piracy without a truly sutable explanation. Like mabye he was actually involved with what could be considered "piracy". I'm suprised that more comic/science fiction conventions aren't raided by the feds over here in the US.

And you wouldn't happen to have acquired this alledged copy of "The Mutants", eh?

[T]

In the UK all his off-air recordings would have been returned to him by the court. The only things that would have been confiscated and destroyed would be copies of commercially recorded materials (pirate copies of sell through tapes or DVDs).

No doubt I'll get someone trying to tell me that I'm wrong, but I know for a fact (experience of a friend's court case) that off-air recordings and all his original recordings bought over the counter would be given back to him.

[Richard Bignell]

T said:

In the UK all his off-air recordings would have been returned to him by the court. The only things that would have been confiscated and destroyed would be copies of commercially recorded materials (pirate copies of sell through tapes or DVDs).

Bob Monkhouse might disagree with you there!

If he were still alive that is.

Richard

[Lance M]

Wright,

I still have the copy of the Mutants ! Would you want to borrow it ?

Lance.