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Post by peteseatonwsmuk on Aug 1, 2005 16:19:32 GMT
it's a shame that only one ep of this exists
just got the audio CD of it as ana nniversary prezzy
and its pretty good
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Post by William Martin on Aug 3, 2005 14:27:13 GMT
they seemed to have spent quite a bit more money on this than normal, but being a sort of costume thingy, the Beeb were on familiar territory. this is one I would like to see complete as well.
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Post by Wright Blan on Aug 3, 2005 15:40:23 GMT
they seemed to have spent quite a bit more money on this than normal, but being a sort of costume thingy, the Beeb were on familiar territory. this is one I would like to see complete as well. I'll make a guess the reason a lot of money might have been spent on production was due to the fact this was susposed to be the last Dalek story. Which is king of like David Bowie's 1990 tour was susposed to be his last tour playing his old material. |
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Post by LanceM on Aug 3, 2005 20:48:34 GMT
I think that is right. Did either of you guys see the 8mm studio footage with the commentary on Evil of the Daleks, the 8mm film was called " The Last Dalek ". The two people interviewed said that it was a lot of work and money for the sets and sequences used up to the climactic ending of the Daleks, or is it the end ? We know that the daleks would indeed return many more times, but in a way it was their last black and white appearance on television, and the subsequent disappearance of the remaining 6 episodes from BBC
Enterprises.
Lance.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 8, 2005 14:47:23 GMT
I think that is right. Did either of you guys see the 8mm studio footage with the commentary on Evil of the Daleks, the 8mm film was called " The Last Dalek ". The two people interviewed said that it was a lot of work and money for the sets and sequences used up to the climactic ending of the Daleks, or is it the end ? We know that the daleks would indeed return many more times, but in a way it was their last black and white appearance on television, and the subsequent disappearance of the remaining 6 episodes from BBC Enterprises. Lance. on the lost in time dvd? yes I've seen it and for them to film it it must have been something special, they prpbably did believe it was the last at the time, apart from a one off apearence in the last episode of the war games in 69, was there any copyright needed for that? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 8, 2005 16:06:27 GMT
on the lost in time dvd? yes I've seen it and for them to film it it must have been something special, they prpbably did believe it was the last at the time . It's all rather simpler than that. Tony Cornell, who took the film (as well as the one from Fury) and who was the Resident Designer at Ealing Studios was well known for taking his cine camera to work any time there was something interesting going on! Richard |
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Post by William Martin on Aug 10, 2005 15:35:13 GMT
does he have anything else from other missing tv series?
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Aug 31, 2005 22:22:33 GMT
A point I wanted to bring in as I was going to ask on another thread, but on this topic.
A noteable aspect of 'Evil' was the large amount of material made on film. I mainly recalled the initial chase around Heathrow (tailing from 'Faceless ones') (and a pre episode trailer, by the way). I clearly recalled the Jamies quest to save Victoria, with balcony shots, aeriel view of Dalek sentry below etc. being made on film. Years later I read of the linking scenes where the Doctor is monitoring Jamie with Dalek guards being also made on film which I didn't know.
In the final battle, the full size Dalek city shots, clearly as documentation indicates were recorded at Ealing. The existing version as shot by Tony Cornell is of course on film stock.
Obviously Tonys camera couldn't be placed in the same path or area as the proffessional cameras as they would interfere with, what are clearly, the one off effect takes. As a result, one key shot I recall, that of the dalek with the exploding lid and visible creature squirming inside is shot from a left of action angle by Tony Cornell. I seem to recall the actual onscreen image as being slightly right of the exploding Dalek.
A point thats been bugging me is that I always assumed that material shot as Ealing was done as film inserts. However, I seem to clearly remember that the end city shots appeared to be either VT, or TR of an electronic source, with film cutaways of the exploding Emperor and the exploding city in the distance, as seen by the Troughton crew from a mountain ledge. Evidence of this would be born out by a memory I have when the exploding Daleks lid fell to the floor. there was a close up of the lid with various wire strands and foam dangling above it, and the camera seemed to catch the studio lights reflection on the lid edge and bright contents as it panned down; causing a solarised 'burn out' similar to the intentional one used in the 'extermination' effect. Does anyone know any more about this?
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Post by jamie mccrimmon on Sept 3, 2005 12:16:02 GMT
I want to hear the audio CD for this. I've only read the BBC photonovel. It was the first one I read and it was fantastic. I'm reading it again now. Includied in it is a few sounds and clips. They're really good and I know the entire words to one after listening to it so many times.  I also recorded it onto my tape recorder, by putting the mic next to the computer speaker! ;D But then it broke and so I had to record it again onto my Dad's one. It's like 20 years old but still works better than the other one that's like 3 years old. It goes somethng like: Dr: What are they called these creatures? *Dalek bursts through doors behind him* Dalek: Doctor! Now do you understand? Dr:  Oh yes... I understand it.  Dalek: (to other 2 men there) Go back. (to the Doctor) Our plan has worked. We shall triumph. You will obey! You will obey!  ;D Dr: Obey? What do you want?  Dalek: We have your time ship. We will destroy it unless you help us with an experiment. ;D Dr: What experiment? Dalek: You will help the Daleks, test, another human being. Dr: What sort of tests? Dalek: Do not question! Dr: I will not be your slave! Waterfield: Doctor! I beg you!  Dalek: No harm will come to you if you agree. Where is your companion? Dr: Jamie? Waterfield: He is in the house. I have done everything you asked me to. Dr: W-Why do you ask about Jamie? Dalek: He is the human being, who is to be tested. Dr: What do you mean? Tested how? Dalek: Silence! You will reveal nothing to your companion. Obey the Daleks! You are in our power! ;D |
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Sept 7, 2005 1:03:22 GMT
Some more memories - I always thought Kennedy had a light raincoat on prior to twiddling the switches on the Dalek machine (episode 1 climax). As I later thought kennedy was played by Philip Madoc, i was probably confusing this with 'Dalek invasion earth' cinema version.
I recalled the 'ghost train' style doors the Daleks disappear into in episode 2.
When jamie looked over the balcony when saving Victoria and saw the aeriel view of a Dalek apparently unaware of him, looking round, I thought it was the same Dalek that burst out minutes later on the landing, but was mistaken.
A friend recalled 'the Da;eks used to have a creature' like a spider, inside. probably a reference to 'Evil'. He seemed to think they made a squealing sound when writhing - I recalled the creature 'bobbing and dancing' about. Another described 'the insides of daleks being seen and they looked like the tops of mops'. a third friend had a detailed observation, recalling a story in which the Doctor drew heiroglyphs near the bases of several Daleks (definitely 'Evil'). Another friend still quotes the confrontation between a black lidded (not complete black) imperial Dalek and a silver as having this dialogue. 'What is the question ?'. ithought it was 'Obey, do not question' (friendly Dalek 'Whyy ?..' (imperial Dalek 'to obey is not to question!' it then exterminated the silver Dalek.
I also recalled an archway the Daleks put humans through to covert them. the Doctor hid and clippeda time bomb type device over a fat button at the edge of the hexagonal archway. The Daleks who were friendly could be recognised as the black lidded Daleks failed to humanise.
A scene I recalled had Maxtible trying to hypnotise the Doctor by swinging a pocket watch to and fro. The Doctor hypnotised maxtible instead. the same pocket watch I noticed in the Doctors pocket on the repeat of 'The Krotons', a continuity link.
The scenes on the cliff edge were lit as if illuminated from below, looked like studio; on T-R; black rocks, close ups of the characters between cutaways to the model dalek set, flanked by rocks,, in the distance. the terrain seemed to resemble that seen in 'Captain Scarlet - Attack on cloud base'; an episode which I think ran alongside one of the epsiode repeats on th same weekend in 1968.
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I also recorded it onto my tape recorder, by putting the mic next to the computer speaker! ;D But then it broke and so I had to record it again onto my Dad's one. It's like 20 years old but still works better than the other one that's like 3 years old. 
Oh yes... I understand it. 
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