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Post by Steve Taylor on Jun 24, 2005 22:46:58 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why a broadcaster would edit everything out of part 4 of this story after the Tardis takes off from Paris apart from the titles? I'm currently looking into the possibility that this cut footage still exists as a clip prompted by a relatively reliable source. Which country may such a censor originate? NZ seem to butchered alot of their episodes. This clip would be good to own because it has the Doctor and Steven arguing and then Dodo's introduction.
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Post by Shane Anderson on Jun 25, 2005 0:35:33 GMT
Well, the ending after Steven and the Doctor leave Paris is 'tacked on' in a sense. Perhaps the escape seemed like the natural place to end the episode for overseas transmission.
Perhaps if it was removed, the logic would be similar to removing the 'next episode' captions from other stories, to make the story more 'self-contained'.
It would be nice if it existed. The Massacre is one of the three Ms (the others being Marco Polo and MIssion to the Unknown) that have no video at all. It's a nice little scene as well. Good luck in your research.
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Post by Wright Blan on Jun 25, 2005 5:12:41 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why a broadcaster would edit everything out of part 4 of this story after the Tardis takes off from Paris apart from the titles? I'm currently looking into the possibility that this cut footage still exists as a clip prompted by a relatively reliable source. Which country may such a censor originate? NZ seem to butchered alot of their episodes. This clip would be good to own because it has the Doctor and Steven arguing and then Dodo's introduction. Did NZ show the stories following ep. 4 (The Ark, etc.)? I woulldn't be shocked if more than a few clips from that story. It was called "The Massacre," after all.  (Or "The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve" if you wanna be anal about it.) |
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Post by ethantyler on Jun 25, 2005 19:10:44 GMT
Did NZ show the stories following ep. 4 (The Ark, etc.)? Are you wondering what I'm wondering (i.e. how - if at all - would Dodo's presence be explained in The Ark)? Thinking about it, if everything after the TARDIS dematerialises was cut, then the massacre itself was cut! How about that - a story about a massacre without a massacre! "The Massacre" has never particularly struck me as violent or scary, but most of the surviving censor clips aren't either ("There's another one!"). It would be great if this footage did exist though as I think it is one of the more highly regarded lost scenes and there's a lot to it (the massacre itself, Steven storming out of the TARDIS, the Doctor's speech, the Wimbledon common scene and Dodo's debut). Does anyone know how long these scenes last? I'm thinking such a clip would rival the Four Hundred Dawns clip as the longest surviving clip. |
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Post by Wright Blan on Jun 26, 2005 3:41:34 GMT
Did NZ show the stories following ep. 4 (The Ark, etc.)? Are you wondering what I'm wondering (i.e. how - if at all - would Dodo's presence be explained in The Ark)? Thinking about it, if everything after the TARDIS dematerialises was cut, then the massacre itself was cut! How about that - a story about a massacre without a massacre! "The Massacre" has never particularly struck me as violent or scary, but most of the surviving censor clips aren't either ("There's another one!"). It would be great if this footage did exist though as I think it is one of the more highly regarded lost scenes and there's a lot to it (the massacre itself, Steven storming out of the TARDIS, the Doctor's speech, the Wimbledon common scene and Dodo's debut). Does anyone know how long these scenes last? I'm thinking such a clip would rival the Four Hundred Dawns clip as the longest surviving clip. Actually, I was wondering if NZ showed the entire season six, or if they had just ordered episodes through to th end of "The Massacre." It seems other oversees broadcasters didn't order entire runs of the series (like Mexico). |
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Post by Wright Blan on Jun 26, 2005 3:46:02 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why a broadcaster would edit everything out of part 4 of this story after the Tardis takes off from Paris apart from the titles? I'm currently looking into the possibility that this cut footage still exists as a clip prompted by a relatively reliable source. Which country may such a censor originate? NZ seem to butchered alot of their episodes. This clip would be good to own because it has the Doctor and Steven arguing and then Dodo's introduction. Did NZ show the stories following ep. 4 (The Ark, etc.)? I woulldn't be shocked if more than a few clips from that story. It was called "The Massacre," after all. (Or "The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve" if you wanna be anal about it.) Y'know, that should've read "I wouldn't be shocked if more than a few clips from that story that were edited out showed up." My bad.  |
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Post by Graham Howard on Jun 26, 2005 10:23:11 GMT
The censor register indicates NZBC did cut episode 4 of The Massacre. As a rough approximation, the difference in running time between the BBC and the NZBC versions of that episode suggests around 46 seconds was cut. According to the censor documentation discovered by Jon Preddle last year, the cuts all came from earlier scenes, specifically:
"Reduce or delete views of massacre, particularly detailed views of killings"
So if the clip has survived as a censor extract it doesn't look like NZ could be the source. Incidentally, NZBC did screen the following story, The Ark - if you remember from a few years back, the cuts from that story were recovered with the Web/Wheel censor clips.
Graham
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