Remembrance of the Cybermen

[Anonymous]

To make this clear from the start, I am not claiming to possess any missing episodes so don't label me as a hoaxer please.

In the early nineties, possibly the very late eighties, I specifically remember watching a black and white episode of Doctor Who featuring the Cybermen. I seem to recall that it was on the moon or an alien planet rather than earth. However having now seen every existing Cyberman episode, not just the black and white episodes, I'm quite certain it wasn't any of those. Were any black and white episodes broadcast in England from around 1989 to 1993?

It occured to me that my father might have shown me the episode on his projector rather than having watched it on television as I remember watching it in his company. I don't get on with him so won't be asking him about it but I did ask my mum and she confirmed that he does have film reels though she doesn't think he has any BBC films. Thus I still have no idea.

I am quite certain that it was a Doctor Who episode and that it was black and white and that it featured the Cybermen as those three factors slash memories led to my becoming a fan in the late nineties. I can only really remember one scene and it featured the Doctor (I think it was him) in a room with bars on the window. I seem to recall him looking through the bars and seeing a Cybermen outside not too far away on the planet's surface. I remember being concerned that the Doctor had lost. Any idea which episode this might be from? It could be another episode with robotic men rather than Cybermen which I confused for Cybermen.

Any help to clear my confusion would make me very greatful.

[LanceM]

Hello,

I believe that you might of seen the missing black and white Patrick Troughton Doctor Who: The Moonbase Episode Three. In that the episode at the climax the Doctor and his companions view out from the moonbase observation dome. I have seen the telesnaps on the loose cannon recon and the telesnaps do sesemble a barred surface. After the party looks out the cybermen can be seen advancing towards the Moonbase. Does that Jog any memories ? So does your mum or your dad still have these old film reels? As for there being any black and white episodes transmitted in the time you displayed, I highly doubt it. I would like to know some more about those old film reels. You can e-mail me directly at [e-mail] or just leave another post on this thread.

Thanks, Lance.

[Stuart Douglas]

Guest-Anonymous said:

To make this clear from the start, I am not claiming to possess any missing episodes so don't label me as a hoaxer please.

In the early nineties, possibly the very late eighties, I specifically remember watching a black and white episode of Doctor Who featuring the Cybermen. I seem to recall that it was on the moon or an alien planet rather than earth. However having now seen every existing Cyberman episode, not just the black and white episodes, I'm quite certain it wasn't any of those. Were any black and white episodes broadcast in England from around 1989 to 1993?

It occured to me that my father might have shown me the episode on his projector rather than having watched it on television as I remember watching it in his company. I don't get on with him so won't be asking him about it but I did ask my mum and she confirmed that he does have film reels though she doesn't think he has any BBC films. Thus I still have no idea.

I am quite certain that it was a Doctor Who episode and that it was black and white and that it featured the Cybermen as those three factors slash memories led to my becoming a fan in the late nineties. I can only really remember one scene and it featured the Doctor (I think it was him) in a room with bars on the window. I seem to recall him looking through the bars and seeing a Cybermen outside not too far away on the planet's surface. I remember being concerned that the Doctor had lost. Any idea which episode this might be from? It could be another episode with robotic men rather than Cybermen which I confused for Cybermen.

Any help to clear my confusion would make me very greatful.

It does sound very like Moonbase:3.

Rather than posting here or mailing Lance, an email direct to the Doctor Who Restoration Team would be your best bet. They can be reached at [e-mail] and would be certainly be able to help you further.

Regards

Stuart

[Richard Molesworth]

It sounds like you've seen episode 4 of 'The Moonbase'. This was released on the BBC video 'Cybermen - The Early Years' in the early 1990s' (1992?).

Someone probably showed you the tape.

Regards,


Richard

[C Jordan]

Except he claims he's seen every existing cybermen episode and it's not one of those !

[Peter Moore]

Dear Anonymous,

The telesnaps of The moonbase episode 3 can be found here: www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/photonovels/moonbase/three/index.shtml

Was it this one?

[Richard Molesworth]

Guest-C said:

Except he claims he's seen every existing cybermen episode and it's not one of those !

Well, if he's seen episodes 2 & 4 of 'The Moonbase', then he'd know for certain if the episode he vaguely remembers was part of the same story ot not!

I'm minded of the American habit of saying 'episode' when they mean to say 'story'. Every exisiting Cyberman 'episode' is different to every existing Cyberman 'story'. One includes 'The Moonbase' 2 & 4 and one doesn't.

The scene described at the top of the thread matches a scene in 'Moonbase' 4.

It doesn't match a missing Cyberman episode.

No contest.

Regards,



Richard

[Anonymous]

Guest-Peter said:

Dear Anonymous,

The telesnaps of The moonbase episode 3 can be found here: www.bbc.co.uk/cult/doctorwho/photonovels/moonbase/three/index.shtml

Was it this one?

Thanks for all the replies. I have looked through the telesnaps and it doesn't jog any memories although the planet surface does look familiar. I'm going to try to get hold of a copy of Moonbase 4 as Richard suggested it could be that episode. I have seen the episode several years ago but it might just be that my memory of the episode is different to what the actual episode looks like so I didn't recognise it. This time I'll keep a sharp eye out.

Also it's worth mentioning that it is very unlikely that my father has any BBC film reels. From what I know, he has home videos and old movies rather than TV programmes. It is however possible that he has some old TV programmes but its extremely unlikely that any would be missing. Sadly.

[Anonymous]

PS - On an unrelated note I saw a recon of Highlanders part 4 recently and there was a minute long clip in it. I was wondering is this a clip used from another source or is it an actual clip from the programme? You never can tell with Loose Cannon. I was also wondering about the TARDIS landing and take off, are those clips from parts 1 or 4 or taken from another episode? Steve Phillips' clip list doesn't mention them.

[Stephen Neve]

Guest-Richard said:

Well, if he's seen episodes 2 & 4 of 'The Moonbase', then he'd know for certain if the episode he vaguely remembers was part of the same story ot not!

I'm minded of the American habit of saying 'episode' when they mean to say 'story'. Every exisiting Cyberman 'episode' is different to every existing Cyberman 'story'. One includes 'The Moonbase' 2 & 4 and one doesn't.

The scene described at the top of the thread matches a scene in 'Moonbase' 4.

It doesn't match a missing Cyberman episode.

No contest.

Regards,



Richard

Except that sequence appears at the end of Moonbase 3 and is reprised in episode 4, could be either, not proof conclusive its part 4, the timescale involved means its most likely to be 4 though, unless the guys father is a film collector.

[LanceM]

Miracles can happen,

I hope this one is not an exception that a missing story could be recovered. That would be great, I guess we just have to wait and see after he watches Moonbase 4 or 2 to see if it jogs any new memories.

On another note:

Anonymous, could you be able to contact your dad and see if he does have any television programes, he could have some programs that are just in non-bbc labled tins, that the film was moved to new tins at some point in time. If you could do that whenever you have some free time to spare, that would be fantastic. Thankyou for being so patient, and for the use of your time.

Thanks,Lance.

[Phillip Culley]

Guest-Anonymous said:

PS - On an unrelated note I saw a recon of Highlanders part 4 recently and there was a minute long clip in it. I was wondering is this a clip used from another source or is it an actual clip from the programme? You never can tell with Loose Cannon. I was also wondering about the TARDIS landing and take off, are those clips from parts 1 or 4 or taken from another episode? Steve Phillips' clip list doesn't mention them.

If you look at the closing credits for Episode 4, you'll see LC have added a credit mentioning the 'fight clip being from Mutiny on the Bounty', or something like that

[Wright Blan]

LanceM said:

Anonymous, could you be able to contact your dad and see if he does have any television programes, he could have some programs that are just in non-bbc labled tins, that the film was moved to new tins at some point in time. If you could do that whenever you have some free time to spare, that would be fantastic. Thankyou for being so patient, and for the use of your time.

Thanks,Lance.

Actually, it might be a better idea if "Anon" gave the RT a way to get in contact with his father, if the relationship is really that bad.

[Anonymous]

LanceM said:

Miracles can happen,

I hope this one is not an exception that a missing story could be recovered. That would be great, I guess we just have to wait and see after he watches Moonbase 4 or 2 to see if it jogs any new memories.

On another note:

Anonymous, could you be able to contact your dad and see if he does have any television programes, he could have some programs that are just in non-bbc labled tins, that the film was moved to new tins at some point in time. If you could do that whenever you have some free time to spare, that would be fantastic. Thankyou for being so patient, and for the use of your time.

Thanks,Lance.

It would have to be a miracle on this occasion for a missing episode to turn up as I keep saying the chances of me having seen one are minute. Incidentally do you not think that asking me to contact someone that I dont get on with for your benefit is selfish? Theres no evidence at all that my father has any existing episodes never mind missing episodes. However I will be getting copies of Tenth Planet, Moonbase, Tomb and Wheel shortly. I can't get a copy of Invasion unfortunately though I will keep trying. If after watching the episodes I'm left still thinking I might have seen something valuable then I will look into things further. It would be foolish to make contact now before watching the episodes.

However I think it is most likely to be an episode from either Tenth Planet, Moonbase or Invasion. Moonbase and Invasion seem the most likely to me.

[Anonymous]

Guest-Phillip said:

If you look at the closing credits for Episode 4, you'll see LC have added a credit mentioning the 'fight clip being from Mutiny on the Bounty', or something like that

Cheers. I didn't think it was from the actual episode as it didn't have that Who look about it.