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Post by John Miller on Nov 16, 2004 22:15:08 GMT
I always thought that if the film inserts had been retained the show would be well represented when you think of the amount shot on film. It's a puzzle why only film inserts for 3 stories (masterplan, abominable snowmen 2 and 4, space pirates) were in the archive as they all must have been sent there.
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Post by Gary on Nov 17, 2004 9:25:09 GMT
someone helped themselves to the choice ones maybe? Film being easier to play back to a fan or collector back then.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 17, 2004 16:59:14 GMT
It's a puzzle why only film inserts for 3 stories (masterplan, abominable snowmen 2 and 4, space pirates) were in the archive as they all must have been sent there. It's no real puzzle. Film inserts were just elements that went up to make completed programmes. When the editing was finished, there was no real reason to hang onto them as all the required material had been transferred to the completed episode for broadcast. The BBC never made a habit of holding onto the tens of thousands of original studio tapes they generated over the years. Likewise, there was no reason for them to hold onto the film inserts either. It's just good fortune that some of them have survived. Richard |
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Post by Lance Comfort on Nov 22, 2004 20:24:06 GMT
John has a point as many film inserts were retained for other programmes like "The Goodies" and "Fawlty Towers"
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Post by James Phillips on Nov 22, 2004 22:58:11 GMT
Yes, and some were retained for Dr Who. The fact remains, it wasn't standard practice to keep anything other than completed programmes, so anything else that survives, for any series, is a fluke.
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Post by Lance on Nov 24, 2004 11:24:43 GMT
True! as Dr Who film inserts have turned up on Ebay(dont worry nothing 1960s)
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Post by John Miller on Dec 1, 2004 19:52:58 GMT
"It's no real puzzle." The point that interested me relevant to starting the thread though was a story that the inserts for 'moonbase' & 'power of the daleks' may've existed in the archive as late as March 1981. This was before Sue Maldens DW mag article by which time thay were not listed. I recently read that when Tony Cash was researching 'whose Dr Who' in 1976, 'evil of the daleks' pt 2 existed in the archive. When Ian Levine inspected the holdings a year later it wasn't there. In both cases the link seems the item disappeared shortly after the initial enquries, as we know, the 'evil' episode was found in the 1980s. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 1, 2004 22:32:04 GMT
The point that interested me relevant to starting the thread though was a story that the inserts for 'moonbase' & 'power of the daleks' may've existed in the archive as late as March 1981. This was before Sue Maldens DW mag article by which time thay were not listed. There is no actual indication that they did exist - only a vague possibility that they might have. There would be no reason for them to have appeared in the DWM article anyway as it wasn't covering film inserts. Not quite. When a documentary was originally proposed for the 2nd House series, Terrance Dicks was brought in as an adviser and he drew up a listing of recommended material. This list of 14 Hartnell and Troughton stories included The Evil of the Daleks indicating that it may have existed when Dicks was doing pre-production work. Alternatively, he could have simply been remembering it from when he was working on Doctor Who full-time. Whatever the situation, it was certainly wasn't there when an archive listing was drawn up in November 1976. Richard |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 16, 2004 20:41:26 GMT
There is no actual indication that they did exist - only a vague possibility that they might have. Whatever the situation, it was certainly wasn't there when an archive listing was drawn up in November 1976. Richard Just interested, Richard, but what evidence might there have been for it to have been considered that they might have existed in the early '80s? |
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