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Post by John Miller on Jan 9, 2005 22:23:25 GMT
The BBC film library did keep a 16mm print of 'The Ice Warriors' episode 3, but this was one of six episodes that they did keep at one point, but they had disposed of or the prints went missing prior to 1978. The others were: 'Crusade' 1 on 16mm, 'Toymaker' 2, 'Power' 6, and 'Wheel' 5 on 35mm (all junked before 1972), and 'Masterplan' 4 on 16mm (never returned from 'Blue Peter'). Regards, Richard Richard raises interesting information here too, as I recall discussing around 3 years ago with a friend how it was a pity one of the returned eps wasn't 2 or 3. This was; as I said; it had a key scene in it of the remaining troop of warriors awakening from Ice. When I described this, the friend was certain he'd seen this scene on a poor quality VHS copy back in the 1980s when ropey generation oddment episodes were circulating. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 10, 2005 1:55:55 GMT
The BBC film library did keep a 16mm print of 'The Ice Warriors' episode 3, but this was one of six episodes that they did keep at one point, but they had disposed of or the prints went missing prior to 1978. The others were: 'Crusade' 1 on 16mm, 'Toymaker' 2, 'Power' 6, and 'Wheel' 5 on 35mm (all junked before 1972), and 'Masterplan' 4 on 16mm (never returned from 'Blue Peter'). Regards, Richard Maybe someone should publish a list (to this forum?) of all the BBC film "junkings" and when they took place in date order so we can all know what has been chucked out and when! Jon Preddle |
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Post by B Thomas on Jan 10, 2005 2:13:43 GMT
Yeah - good idea Jon. I've been wondering the same thing about destruction dates etc.
Do you, Neil or anyone else know anything about the "Hill Street" storage facility for old NZBC broadcast copies of films? Maybe Graham has already looked into this but I was wondering if anything survived there as a lot of the DW serials had no fates ascribed to them after their NZ broadcasts.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 10, 2005 2:56:01 GMT
Yeah - good idea Jon. I've been wondering the same thing about destruction dates etc. Do you, Neil or anyone else know anything about the "Hill Street" storage facility for old NZBC broadcast copies of films? Maybe Graham has already looked into this but I was wondering if anything survived there as a lot of the DW serials had no fates ascribed to them after their NZ broadcasts. Yes... the Hill Street film bond store closed circa 1975 when the Avalon TV studios opened. We believe that everything held there was either moved to Avalon, junked (eg The Lion) or stored elsewhere. One of these other storage facilities was closed down in the 1990s, with the material held there destroyed or donated to the NZ Film Archives. There was no Who included in the NZFA consignments... Jon |
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Post by B Thomas on Jan 10, 2005 4:07:32 GMT
Ahh... that would explain why "The Macra Terror" was listed as having been destroyed at the late date of 1974 I suppose.
Funny about Neil remembering this one being screened at school...? Did anything come of his assertion that copies of "Marco Polo" and "The Highlanders" were held in storage as late as 1976?
Anyway - we must catch up again soon. It's been too long mate...
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Post by LanceM on Jan 18, 2005 23:54:26 GMT
Possibly someone who helped clear out Macra Terror decided to keep a episode to watch at home? Hey, anything is possible!
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Post by Neil lambess on Jan 19, 2005 12:16:39 GMT
Im still looking for Macra...... but all leads have been exausted so far... im convinced that if it ever turns up it will have a short film about speedboat racing and ice sculptures in japan stuck on the front of it , as thats what screened in the school hall before it...(well the first episode at least!)
Personally ild LOVE to see a list of all BBC junking dates and episodes for one obvious reason.... if already recovered episodes are on the list, then the other unrecovered episodes junked on the same day may have a greater chance of also surviving
for example what if the recovered Evil of the Daleks 2 and Faceless ones 3 were junked at the same time as say a complete Marco polo? would this indicate that Marco survived as well? . it would be a valuable investigation tool
and may point the finger at which BBc facillity the most recovered episodes have been sourced from???
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Post by Lance M on Jan 19, 2005 17:43:31 GMT
Neil Maybe the BBC should look at all the previous facilites. I recently sent an e-mail to the treasure hunt part of BBC.com and asked for a list of all facilites in england and New Zealand where Doctor Who episodes used to be held. Maybe you should do the same, and get that list of junckings, and Macra might arise from a old television station vault, or some other place where episodes used to be kept. Just a thought.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 19, 2005 21:42:23 GMT
You're not likely to get a reply - Treasure Hunt closed down *ages* ago.
What do you mean by "facilities", by the way?
Richard
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Post by Lance M on Jan 20, 2005 0:23:46 GMT
When I said facilites I meant all areas where the BBC used to keep thier television recordings, I know that they have moved before. Such as an article that I read said that the two episodes of Masterplan that were found in that bacement, that the facility had previously been a home of the BBC. I was just wondering if anyone knew if the BBC had any other facilites in the country where they used to reside? If so we as fans should find out if the BBC did indeed have other facilites, and either contact or visit these facilites if they still exist, and ask around to see if they still have any film left behind. Who knows, maybe a huge pile of Troughton episodes are just sitting in a corner just waiting to be found.
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Post by William Martin on Jan 21, 2005 13:31:44 GMT
I can imagine that some were taken, lifted, borrowed, stolen et.c and although a 25min 16mm TR is surprisingly small there wouldn't be enough room in brief care for more than 2 or 3
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Post by Lance M on Jan 21, 2005 17:47:50 GMT
True, But anything is possible. Still 2 or 3 is better than none at all. So does anyone have any ideas on where someone should contact to locate those 2 or 3 episodes?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jan 29, 2005 11:24:42 GMT
Nope! No episodes of The Ice Warriors were on 35mm. They were all VT recordings. Richard Not entirely true Richarrd. Yes there were no 35mm copies of Ice Warriors made but episode 3 should have made it to the videotape libary, but diden't. Looks like it went walkies along with Toymaker 2, power 6, wheel 5 and a few others that should have been there! |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 29, 2005 12:13:02 GMT
Not entirely true Richarrd. Yes there were no 35mm copies of Ice Warriors made but episode 3 should have made it to the videotape libary, but diden't. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here, Stephen. What makes you think that The Ice Warriors #3 didn't make it back to the Engineering Department, where the master VT's were stored? The wiping authorisation sheets indicate that the episode was cleared for deletion on 21 July 1969, so there's every indication that it was safely stored with the other episodes. But the 35mm prints were in an entirely different place, in a different part of London! And there's no evidence that they "went walkies". Both Power #6 and Wheel #5 were officially cleared for junking by 11 November 1968. Richard |
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Post by Leighton on Feb 13, 2005 18:13:21 GMT
You would be amazed if you guys knew what went walkies in the sixties and seventies.
I met an ex bbc camera man recently who filmed the autons attacking shoppers in ealing in 1969 for spearhead and he told me that all his colleagues were helping themselves to whatever they could get their hands on as so much was considered "wastage" , and with no domestic video recorders on the market, that was one way of saving stuff they had worked on.
Obviously I asked him about Dr Who etc but he mainly worked on Arena, Horizon and documentary programmes.
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