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Post by ajsmith on Feb 28, 2008 22:26:23 GMT
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Post by Lenny Clark on Mar 1, 2008 7:38:04 GMT
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Post by Jan Charles on Mar 1, 2008 10:06:11 GMT
Pretty much covered at the IMDB
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Post by ajsmith on Mar 1, 2008 17:44:22 GMT
Pretty much covered at the IMDB Hardly! the imdb only lists two measly editions, and has no details of what exists etc. This wiki entry is worthwhile! |
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Post by Matthew Brannigan on Mar 2, 2008 2:06:30 GMT
Great start ajsmith - keep up the good work!
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Post by Nigel Lees on Mar 14, 2008 19:59:04 GMT
Nice to see the show getting more coverage - if you want to add to it, a chat free audio in excellent quality of The Family edition from May 69 exists in private hands also. Five complete songs.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Mar 15, 2008 8:45:25 GMT
I like Family do you know what the songs were Nigell?.
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Post by Nigel Lees on Mar 18, 2008 20:51:29 GMT
The Family songs were
The Weaver's Answer
Observations From A Hill
How Hi The Li
Processions
A Song For Me
Best versions I've ever heard!
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Post by David Lynch on Mar 19, 2008 1:54:34 GMT
For a Wikipedia article on a music-related subject, excellent. However, I'm curious about the statement about audio of the Giles, Giles, and Fripp Colour Me Pop existing in private hands. The footnote leads to a thread here that, as far as I can tell, makes no mention of this, and I've never heard tell of it either. Not that it would be particularly interesting to hear given that, from what I have been told, the entire session was lip-synced to audio tracks either from "The Cheerful Insanity Of" or "The Brondesbury Tapes" (I think I saw a tracklist for it too somewhere, but I can't recall where exactly), but I'm nevertheless curious! |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Mar 19, 2008 8:33:40 GMT
Here you go... details from Sid Smith's excellent book "In The Court Of King Crimson"...
Giles, Giles and Fripp - Colour Me PopPerformed... Drop In Digging My Lawn Make It Today She Is Loaded Tremelo Study Thursday Morning (film clip filmed 13-11-68) Elephant Song (animation film) Show taped in Studio B at BBC Television Centre, Shepherds Bush on Saturday 16th November 1968. Transmitted November 30th. The "Thursday Morning" film clip was a film of the members larking about in a field... the thought of Fripp "larking about" in a field is rather amusing to say the least. No idea what the animation was of, but apparently it was made especially for the show. The music that was mimed to appeared on "The Brondesbury Tapes", all home recorded, engineered and produced by Peter Giles. The BBC engineers were rather impressed by the quality Giles achieved on those recordings and considering what equipment and resources he had, they are pretty impressive. I can assume that "Elephant Song" not on that album was the Decca recording. Since the Brondesbury album features 2 versions of "Digging My Lawn" it's not certain which version was used was used in this show. There are also 2 versions of the delightful "Make It Today" and I'd say it was obvious the TV version is the one without Judy Dyble's vocals. It's probably why they re-recorded it since miming to it with Judy's vocal when Judy was no longer in the band would had looked rather odd! Robert Fripp has said that hours after recording the show, he and Mike Giles had a long conversation during which it was decided to bring in Greg Lake and oust Peter Giles since Fripp felt that Peter's quirkiness and influence in songs such as "Digging My Lawn" clashed violently with what Fripp wanted to do. Don't forget that Ian McDonald was part of GG+F by this time so with Peter Giles out, Greg Lake in and with McDonalds best pal Peter Sinfield contributing, King Crimson was edging ever closer. The bizarre thing is then by the time the show was broadcast, Giles Giles and Fripp were no more. Curiously there was a GG+F reunion of sorts in 1970 when King Crimson made it's only appearance on Top Of The Pops taped on 25th March where the GG+F trio were joined by Keith Tippett and Greg Lake for a mimed performance of the "Cat Food" single, the B'side of which "Groon" was entirely by the GG+F trio. I do have an audio copy of the KC performance minus intro and outro sadly and sadder still there is no "live" elements to be heard unlike most TOTP clips of the time which tended to feature live vocals. Of course that TOTP performance is one of a great many long lost... For the record that show was hosted by Jimmy Savile and featured discs by Marsha Hunt, Jerry Butler, Joe Dolan and The Who. Broadcast on 26th March, a black and white T/R of The Who performing "The Seeker" exists proving that a t/r was made of that legendary show... The Who clip turned up unexpectedly on a German TV show a few years ago but whether they may have a copy of the complete show or other clips from it is open to debate and I'd guess unlikely. In 1975, Robert Fripp used one of Peter Giles' recordings on a King Crimson retro he compiled without Giles' permission. When he talked about the track at the time he said that he had various GG+F tapes in his archive including the "Colour Me Pop" show. Whether he meant the recordings made for the show or a copy of the actual show as broadcast is not known. Judging from the CMP shows that have survived, it's very likely there was no host so all the songs simply were played one after the other so unlikely there's any unique linking material. Shame... just imagine Fripp reciting the "Saga of Rodney Toady" between the songs!  |
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Post by ajsmith on Mar 19, 2008 18:14:35 GMT
Robert Fripp meant the audio material: Sid Smith confirmed this for me.
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Post by David Lynch on Mar 19, 2008 21:43:43 GMT
Here you go... details from Sid Smith's excellent book "In The Court Of King Crimson"... Show taped in Studio B at BBC Television Centre, Shepherds Bush on Saturday 16th November 1968. Transmitted November 30th. The "Thursday Morning" film clip was a film of the members larking about in a field... the thought of Fripp "larking about" in a field is rather amusing to say the least. No idea what the animation was of, but apparently it was made especially for the show. Thanks Peter! My experienced with clips of pop groups from that period leads me to believe that "larking about in a field" was an extremely popular theme during that time; certainly I've seen far more footage of Roger Waters "larking about in a field" than I should ever have cared to! Peter Giles did return to play on the "Wake of Poseidon" record after Greg Lake left (DGM Live has a free MP3 download of an early take of "The Devil's Triangle" with just the three of them playing); honestly I liked him much better as a bass player and as a songwriter than I did Lake anyway, and I think it's too bad they wound up ditching him. Maybe prog rock as a whole wouldn't have quite the reputation for pretentiousness and bombast it now does if things had gone the other way! |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Mar 19, 2008 22:07:33 GMT
Peter Giles did return to play on the "Wake of Poseidon" record after Greg Lake left (DGM Live has a free MP3 download of an early take of "The Devil's Triangle" with just the three of them playing); honestly I liked him much better as a bass player and as a songwriter than I did Lake anyway, and I think it's too bad they wound up ditching him. Maybe prog rock as a whole wouldn't have quite the reputation for pretentiousness and bombast it now does if things had gone the other way! That's a most interesting thought!  I cringe every time I see that "See Emily Play" clip for Belgian TV in early 68... Water's is plain embarrassing. Maybe that's why he quit trying to be "zany" and adopting the misery guts persona! Not to mention the "Scarecrow" Pathe film...  |
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