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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2007 10:25:37 GMT
The "Felix" appearance exists on one of the Bob Pratt comp tapes. Thanks, Andrew. What song(s) do they perform? It's in colour presumably? If so, a revelation as I didn't know there was much around from this era of The Kinks, apart from the odd Beat Club, promo etc. |
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Post by Andrew Martin on Apr 19, 2007 15:42:22 GMT
It's the tracks as mentioned by peterelliott above, "Last of the Steam Powered Trains" and "Picture Book" - and they are on colour VT.
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Post by Tony Cross on Apr 19, 2007 17:56:50 GMT
I disagree, late 70's totp far outclass the late 60's early 70's. None of the shows should have been deleted but glad the later 70's still exist rather than the early ones. Referring to comments made by flateric!
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 19, 2007 20:10:41 GMT
I disagree, late 70's totp far outclass the late 60's early 70's. None of the shows should have been deleted but glad the later 70's still exist rather than the early ones. Referring to comments made by flateric! I beg to differ myself. I don't know who once said it but I do recall a quote that "TOTP is as good as the acts that are on it" or words to that effect. The reason why many of us here mourn the loss of late 60s and early 70s shows is simply because the music was much better and more interesting. I have many shows from the late 70s and bar the occasional good record they are by and large absolutely awful... the Legs and Co frugs are always embarassing, and bands like The Dooleys, Showaddywaddy, Dollar and Darts were on it with alarming regularity. Seen today... well, they were awful back then never mind now! The 1977 shows are a great case in point. "History" dictates that Punk changed everything overnight. It didn't. Theres very little punk content on TOTP that year and the music they did feature is directionless bland pap that New Wave thankfully began to help eradicate. At the end of the day, its all down to personal taste and I happen to love most chart music from the 60s up to about 1974! |
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Apr 19, 2007 23:18:54 GMT
I disagree, late 70's totp far outclass the late 60's early 70's. None of the shows should have been deleted but glad the later 70's still exist rather than the early ones. Referring to comments made by flateric! GASP!!!!!! |
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Post by Steve Riley on Apr 22, 2007 11:51:01 GMT
I beg to differ myself. I don't know who once said it but I do recall a quote that "TOTP is as good as the acts that are on it" or words to that effect. The reason why many of us here mourn the loss of late 60s and early 70s shows is simply because the music was much better and more interesting. I have many shows from the late 70s and bar the occasional good record they are by and large absolutely awful... the Legs and Co frugs are always embarassing, and bands like The Dooleys, Showaddywaddy, Dollar and Darts were on it with alarming regularity. Seen today... well, they were awful back then never mind now! The 1977 shows are a great case in point. "History" dictates that Punk changed everything overnight. It didn't. Theres very little punk content on TOTP that year and the music they did feature is directionless bland pap that New Wave thankfully began to help eradicate. At the end of the day, its all down to personal taste and I happen to love most chart music from the 60s up to about 1974! I have to concur, Peter. Very well said. I think '74 /'75 was a kind of watershed, after which TOTP took an alarming turn for the worse in terms of the quality of the acts featured ( "I'd Really Love To See You Tonight" by England Dan & John Ford Coley or "I Love To Love" by Tina Charles, anyone?!). The Abba girls were always worth watching, and you'd occasionally get a decent rock act like Thin Lizzy featured. But those regularly-featured bands that you list above (along with the likes of Boney M and others) were shockingly bad. Then we get into the early '80s and things really started to go downhill fast, with all those neon-lit sets, electro-pap and pretty-boy New Romantics with make-up and bad mullets. Things just went from bad to worse, and TOTP was already well past its sell-by date by the end of that decade, if you ask me. That it continued as long as it did was astonishing. |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Apr 22, 2007 12:35:39 GMT
Interesting points flateric. I was born in 1972 and hated the 1976 to 1978 era especially because for me, what was getting in the charts was by and large abysmal, and TOTP simply reflected what was going on. For me personally, it picked up a bit in 1979 thanks to more New Wave acts coming along and then there was 2-Tone. At that point, the current music got interesting again and so does TOTP. I respect the fact you didn't like all that synth pop and New Romantic stuff... I rather liked it myself and it was in 1981 TOTP switched to that "party" format and that worked well for a couple of years.
For me, the rot sets in in 1984 as MTV was getting bigger and more and more videos began to be featured. I lost interest again in the music because it sounded too slick and overproduced. Indeed by the late 80s it was pretty lousy again. My interest in current music was revived in late 1994 and the first year of Ric Blaxhills tenency as producer I thought was rather good. I do recall Blaxhill saying in an interview at the time that he felt TOTP had suffered thanks to videos and he mentioned that whilst researching TOTP2, he found one show which was entirely made up of videos save for one act and so Blaxhill made it a policy to get the acts appearing on the show and he'd feature maybe 2 videos at the most. As soon as I saw The Spice Girls debut in 1996 though, I knew it was time to switch off again and in my opinion, the pop music and chart scene has been in a dire coma ever since.
I have spoken with jones about our conflicting views about late 70s TOTP and indeed its all down to whether you liked the music of the era or not so I respect his views on this subject. For instance someone born in the mid 80s are very likely to say they loved the show during the mid to late 90s... depends really on when one was born and what kind of music they liked that determines whether that person thinks TOTP was any good in a given era. Me, I simply love the music from 1965 to 1974 - my parents record collection was full of stuff from that time, so it was what I heard most growing up... they were big Beatles and Kinks fans as well as Bolan and Glam rock, so thats "my era" and why I mourn whats been lost.
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Post by Steve Riley on Apr 22, 2007 14:02:42 GMT
Interesting to read your point of view Peter, not least because I'd figured that you must be of a similar vintage to me (I was born in 1963), and yet it turns out that you're a mere stripling of 35, LOL!
Seems like your parents had a lot of influence on you musically, which is interesting. Unfortunately I can't say the same because my folks were all Mario Lanza and Perry Como - and my mum went through a very disturbing Johnny Mathis phase that lasted from the mid '70s to the early '80s. Even today, hearing "Too Much Too Little Too Late" or "When A Child Is Born" brings me out in a rash. It was a traumatic time.
I largely loathed the New Romantic stuff of the early '80s, certainly at the time. Probably because I was a dedicated follower of the NWOBHM in those days, and was into bands such as Saxon and the Tygers Of Pan Tang, the likes if whom seldom appeared on TOTP (which was, for me, another reason not to watch it unless I knew in advance that a band such as Motörhead was going to be on).
I did (secretly!!) like some of the 2tone /Mod stuff that preceded the New Romantic era - though it would have been extremely "uncool" to admit it to my denim-clad peers, LOL!! I even had an album by a band called Secret Affair who were popular for a brief time circa 1980 - which I kept hidden away separate from my main album collection so that my mates wouldn't take the p*ss when they came round, LOL ;D!!!
And these days I can also listen to certain things like early Depeche Mode or the Human League's "Dare" album and appreciate them more.
I take your point also about the the slick over-production that was typical of so much music in the mid to late '80s, though personally I enjoyed a lot of the "hair metal" / power ballad stuff from those days. I still do, if I'm honest - I even went to a Whitesnake gig last year and was blown away by how good they still are.
I watched very little TOTP during the 90s, basically because I disliked so much of 90s pop - I never got into the "Brit Pop" or "Madchester" scenes at all, for example. And of course the less said about the Spice Girls, the better!
I guess you're right though, in the end it's all a matter of taste - and also timing!
- Eric
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2007 10:33:50 GMT
It's the tracks as mentioned by peterelliott above, "Last of the Steam Powered Trains" and "Picture Book" - and they are on colour VT. I'm really excited about this appearance existing! It's the next best thing to the Kinks Colour Me Pop edition turning up. It's amazing it's in colour too; I only hope it's now properly archived at the BBC (Andrew?) and that we get to see it before too long...a Kinks DVD which includes this footage please, someone! |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on May 11, 2007 11:42:05 GMT
A Kinks at the Beeb dvd would be brill. There's certainly enough material there.
I heard a rumour the Colour me Pop exists in Russia.
Apparantly there's a partial audio of the CMP appearance doing the rounds.
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Post by hartley967 on May 11, 2007 12:32:07 GMT
fans of the Seekers note
The Carnival is Over exists in colour from the 20/3/ 66 edition of Sunday Night at the London Palladium
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Post by Mark Kerridge on May 11, 2007 19:43:52 GMT
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Post by Chris Barratt on May 12, 2007 18:28:50 GMT
As a fan of music of most era's 60's-90's, and a TOTP-head I would say probably the intrigueing era of TOTP is the late 60's/early 70's, all the more so due to the fact that most of it is lost. The 3 1970 shows I have seen in their entirity are 3 of the best TOTP's I have seen, fantastic links and presentation (whoever was responsible for that should be honoured!)... the fast groovy pace of those shows seemed to have slowed down somewhat by the mid-70's, and of course being a chart based show it's only as good as the music! I'd say 75-78, though they had their moments, were pretty poor cos the music wasn't as good (and that bloody orchestra of fossils were on every other performance ruining perfectly good records), by late 78 though things had pepped up and the 1979/80 shows are pretty much all good with new-wave/punk, 2-tone etc. 1981-84 represents a high-water mark for the show as the music scene of that time excellent, and once again the presentation of TOTP reflected this.. once video's started to dominate things (1985) the show didn't do well at capturing this and for me the mid-85/86 era is another low-point and, for me I did like a lot of the chart music TOTP's presentation (shoving too much in a too short a show, video's starting halfway thru etc) went down the toilet.. things didn't improve (although the chart music scene did) until spring 1991, the Stanley Appell "year zero" relaunch was pretty much bollocks but the 94-97 Ric Blaxill era is for me as good as 68-73 or 79-84. after that, of course, the decline was terminal, for the show, charts & society.... Whatever your taste in music, TOTP was at it's best in those 2 era's when the naff didn't seem so naff and chart cheese went side-by-side with credible stuff
Best TOTP theme tune could be that 69/70 opening music (the closing tune is pretty good too), Whole Lotta Love (the proper mix 71-77) or Yellow Pearl, all superb
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Post by Mark Kerridge on May 15, 2007 19:12:21 GMT
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Post by ajsmith on Aug 22, 2007 20:42:12 GMT
bump
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