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Post by Stephen Doran on Jan 8, 2006 13:46:28 GMT
I disagree. TOTP2 ruined so much of what they showed with on-screen info boxes to Steve Wright talking over the intro and outro. BBC4 did it with Ronnie Lane last night exactly how it should be done. Perfect performances from start to finish with no interruptions. Let's hope BBC4 screen more of these type of shows. I'd love to see the Small Faces Colour Me Pop in full aswell as Ronnie Lane's BBC In Concert from 1974. i have few clips lazy sunday,song of a baker, etc.but the pic is very distorted. |
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Post by Pete Seaton on Jan 8, 2006 13:58:14 GMT
TOTP2 really should have been an extention of sounds of the 60 & 70 really...... little clips weaved with full intro's and outros from Old TOTP and complete old titles,
bring it back with a nostalgic feel, original TOTP titles which change every week and an excuse forget the belief of the here and now, escapism, until you seee the MMVI at the end !!!!!!
and no on screen waffle and no chirping DJ either, unless hes at the beginning aying who's on for 30 seconds (and not over the opening titles)
and a place to play the stuff that you regard as unwatchable due to tape faults, we really do not mind, we undertand. let us be that judge.
BBC if your reading, this series would be the most welcome and valued thing that you've done for years.
for shows that a DJ doent want his performance in, a nice re-edit will suffice !!!!!!
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Post by Smiler on Jan 8, 2006 21:07:08 GMT
The TOTP Ronnie Lane clip came from Ronnie's brother Stan Lane. I assume it was a domestic recording and I'm trying to find out if he captured the Faces 'Cindy Incidetally' 10 months earlier that also been wiped by the beeb.
The Maggie May clip introduced by Saville was from a compilation that went out in December 1973 to celebrate some kind of TOTP anniversary. There are three takes in existance of Maggie May, all from the same performance. The 27 December 71 one introduced by Tony Blackburn, the Saville one mentioned above and another intercepted with studio dancing.
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Post by Westy 2 on Jan 8, 2006 22:13:14 GMT
Quite! It was better early on with Johnnie Walker as narrator. But even he was prone to occasional dumb remarks not worthy of him; I recall he made a stupid comment while introducing stidio footage of the TOTP audience dancing cut to The Archies' Sugar Sugar. He made apologies for the "dodgy camerawork" coming up. Although what he was really referring to was the cameramen's penchant for getting close-ups of girls' cleavage and legs, the way it was said implied that all shows of that time had poor technical standards! As I say, a dumb remark that perpetuates myths about archive TV being cheap, nasty and kitsch. Steve Wright was dumber than dumb though - pity they couldn't just present the music with no apologies, snide remarks or on-screen captions plastered over the vision. What a strange notion! That 'Sugar Sugar' clip, the pictures were something else wasn't they? (McCartney's 'Another Day' I think!) It was the TOTP 2 50th show, where they marked show 50, show 100 etc, up to show 1700, where they played Fugees video for 'Ready Or Not'. The 'Sugar Sugar' clip was shown to represent show 300, which ISTR was October 1969, but colour didn't come for another month, so in effect they should've cheated & 'turned the colour down' on the clip (which they did do on one of the 'Recorded For Recalls' for 1970, where they showed 4 clips, Jethro Tull's Witch's Promise & Badfinger's Come & Get It from what appeared to be B&W VT, as I wrongly observed on the forum at the time , as certainly Witch's Promise existed in colour at that point, as it was used by 'Sounds Of The 70's' in colour, plus 2 other clips from bwTR, Edison Lighthouse's Love Grows & probably Temptation's Next To You as well! What is strange(& has probably been discussed on here too!), that future repeats of Jethro Tull & Badfinger on TOTP 2 were from bwTR instead. Never seen the Jethro Tull clip in colour apart from '70's' !) I'm sure it was discussed on the forum at some point in the past! |
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Post by Gary Robinson on Jan 9, 2006 10:53:07 GMT
There does not appear to be any studio audience for the Maggie May clip,is it a warm up performance?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 9, 2006 11:24:13 GMT
That 'Sugar Sugar' clip, the pictures were something else wasn't they? (McCartney's 'Another Day' I think!) The 'Sugar Sugar' clip was shown to represent show 300, which ISTR was October 1969, but colour didn't come for another month, so in effect they should've cheated & 'turned the colour down' on the clip (which they did do on one of the 'Recorded For Recalls' for 1970, where they showed 4 clips, Jethro Tull's Witch's Promise & Badfinger's Come & Get It from what appeared to be B&W VT, as I wrongly observed on the forum at the time , as certainly Witch's Promise existed in colour at that point, as it was used by 'Sounds Of The 70's' in colour, plus 2 other clips from bwTR, Edison Lighthouse's Love Grows & probably Temptation's Next To You as well! What is strange(& has probably been discussed on here too!), that future repeats of Jethro Tull & Badfinger on TOTP 2 were from bwTR instead. Never seen the Jethro Tull clip in colour apart from '70's' !) I'm sure it was discussed on the forum at some point in the past! Yep, the audience shots to Sugar Sugar were from that 1971 edition (quite bad of them to mock it up as though it was from show 300. As I recall watching TOTP when the song was at number 1 in late '69, I can confirm that shots of the audience dancing were used some weeks in that way though, usually over credits playout (at other times the U.S. cartoon clip was shown). Interesting about those colour clips of Tull, Badfinger etc; I posted a list of these and the other clips that make up that BBC 1970 colour compilation reel (forget which thread it's on now) but although the reel is listed on the BBC's database, nothing has been seen of some of it's more obscure material for a long time (e.g. Rare Bird, Pickettywitch, Blodwyn Pig, Badfinger etc). Perhaps Andrew Martin can confirm if this is still safe or has gone AWOL. The programme number quoted for it is LLV9265Y. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 10, 2006 11:29:11 GMT
I want to know about this too.Calling Andrew Martin?Are you there.
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Post by StevePhillips on Jan 13, 2006 15:32:16 GMT
Also they showed a longer than normal Maggie May on TOTP intro by Jimmy Saville which didnt seem to fit and The Faces doing back to back songs on TOTP intro by Tony Blackburn. The "Maggie May" clip exists in several versions at the Beeb. The one shown was IIRC the longest one. The back to back songs ("Richmond" and "Bad and Ruined" IIRC) are from a regular surviving edition (shown by UK Gold way back). TOTP had a short-lived album spot for a while. S. |
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Post by Alistair Wilson on May 14, 2006 17:56:01 GMT
Repeated earlier this week on BBC4; nice show. I was abroad when it was first on so missed it then but just found this thread on search.
The big surprise was of course the 'lost' TOTP footage of Ronnie Lane with 'How Come' from 1974. I wonder if BBC archives/Andrew Martin could confirm whether or not this performance is now back in the archive and so can be added to the TOTP database? Of course it would be great to know if this was a one-off find or whether Stan Lane (assuming it was him) taped any other stuff from that period.
Many thanks if anyone can help.
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Post by Blockbuster on May 20, 2006 3:31:18 GMT
Doesn't the Ronnie Lane performance come from those two 1974 editions that have gone round the collectors circuit? I've seen all those performances but they're always chopped to bits, hardly any DJ intros/outros and I've certainly never seen the complete shows. Whoever had them originaly seems intent on not letting anyone get the complete shows.
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Post by Kev on May 20, 2006 7:48:20 GMT
Isn't it far more likely the person recorded them like that, as it was so expensive to a have a recorder in 74?
Loads of people used to tape the charts and hit the pause button when the dj waffled on. Ironically these are now the more interesting bits in some cases.
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Post by Blockbuster on May 21, 2006 16:55:10 GMT
I know what you mean but where does the DLT intro come from? Unusual that a wiped TOTP exists in two collections don't you think? And those 1974 shows contain almost every song so unlikely they pressed stop and start every song, I don't think they'd have been able to get all those songs if that was the case. I'm pretty sure old video recorders would have taken some time to stop and start, not quick enough to get each individual song?
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Post by Neil Barker on May 21, 2006 17:46:36 GMT
What if they just pressed pause?
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Post by Keith Brockway on May 21, 2006 19:56:20 GMT
From what i've actually seen, it would seem to indicate that the 24/1/74 & 31/1/74 editions exist in various guises, ie the 2 "Teenage Rampage" performances, the last one with both full Jimmy Saville intro's & outro's intact, Mud's "Tiger Feet" with DLT clowning about on stage with them and other snippets here & there. From what i've read, it is only the last 20 minutes or so of the 31/1/74 edition, not sure about the other one, but it would be good if someone could actually confirm its existence.
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Post by GJ BRUM on May 21, 2006 21:06:47 GMT
some of these performances had been on youtube, but after 3rd party complaints to the BBC from Slade & their management I had been forced to take everything off there. As explained on bbc's Money programme the other night if legal action is threatend or taken against a fan who has stuff on/ or d/loaded from the net, that fan will no longer follow/ support that band, that in the first place took the money off them, when that fan was buying their records gigs ect ect and was 1 of those who made the band successfull in the first place. Needless to say I am no longer a slade fan. garybrum.blogspot.com/ |
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