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Post by Troy Walters on Jan 17, 2004 23:23:02 GMT
Hi all. After finding out about VidFIRE and LUSTRE, it inspired me to look for a consumer program that does a similar job so I could have a crack at videoising kinescope films and one of my mates told me about Dynapel's "Motion Perfect".
Anyways downloaded a demo of it and tried it out and I must say it does a really good job at videoising PAL kinescope films. It's not quite up there with VidFIRE and LUSTRE as it can't handle extreme complex objects and too fast movement as I've seen some messy digital artifacts occuring in these instances but it's a great program for amateurs such as myself who love to have a crack at videoising kinescope films or smoothing the motion of 8mm 16fps films etc...
Anyways I've had an experiment with it doing some old kinescopes films and some videos I recorded on PC in 25fps fullframes and I have to say it works good with the videos and kinescope films of the latter years as the quality was much improved with less grain, nicks and scratches and sharper pictures. With the earlier stuff from the 50s on the Aussie and UK kinescopes it does good with the motion but the quality of the films sort of spoils it. Nonetheless it makes them look much better. With the US kinescopes they didn't turn out so well as Kevin pointed out that they were recorded 24fps but the motion looked almost good when upping the frame rate to 60fps on Motion Perfect.
Anyhow the best result I got was doing a 1974 GTK concert clip (in kinescope film format) of the Aussie glam group "Skyhooks" performing "Whatever Happened To The Revolution", that turned out fantastic ;D!!!
Anyways I'm experimenting with clips at size of 352x288 because my PC can't handle playing 50fps clips at higher resolutions which the hard disk is loading like mad and the clips play slow and jerky.
So I must say I'm having a lot of fun videoising these old clips from my VHS collection. Anyone else here tried out Motion Perfect?
Cheers Troy
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Post by William Martin on Jan 19, 2004 17:12:12 GMT
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Post by Brian Fretwell on Jan 21, 2004 0:21:47 GMT
I believe Peter F and some others tried the demo version after it was mentioned on the Restoration team forum.
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Post by William Martin on Jan 21, 2004 16:59:35 GMT
Hi all. After finding out about VidFIRE and LUSTRE, it inspired me to look for a consumer program that does a similar job so I could have a crack at videoising kinescope films and one of my mates told me about Dynapel's "Motion Perfect". Anyways downloaded a demo of it and tried it out and I must say it does a really good job at videoising PAL kinescope films. It's not quite up there with VidFIRE and LUSTRE as it can't handle extreme complex objects and too fast movement as I've seen some messy digital artifacts occuring in these instances but it's a great program for amateurs such as myself who love to have a crack at videoising kinescope films or smoothing the motion of 8mm 16fps films etc... Anyways I've had an experiment with it doing some old kinescopes films and some videos I recorded on PC in 25fps fullframes and I have to say it works good with the videos and kinescope films of the latter years as the quality was much improved with less grain, nicks and scratches and sharper pictures. With the earlier stuff from the 50s on the Aussie and UK kinescopes it does good with the motion but the quality of the films sort of spoils it. Nonetheless it makes them look much better. With the US kinescopes they didn't turn out so well as Kevin pointed out that they were recorded 24fps but the motion looked almost good when upping the frame rate to 60fps on Motion Perfect. Anyhow the best result I got was doing a 1974 GTK concert clip (in kinescope film format) of the Aussie glam group "Skyhooks" performing "Whatever Happened To The Revolution", that turned out fantastic ;D!!! Anyways I'm experimenting with clips at size of 352x288 because my PC can't handle playing 50fps clips at higher resolutions which the hard disk is loading like mad and the clips play slow and jerky. So I must say I'm having a lot of fun videoising these old clips from my VHS collection. Anyone else here tried out Motion Perfect? Cheers Troy how did you do this? 1/2 speed slow motion then playing it back at double speed? have you tried increasing the ram cache? if you could that may solve the swap space problem or defragmanting the hard drive may help? found the site and I will try it as soon as the old pc is repared
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Post by Troy Walters on Jan 22, 2004 2:22:14 GMT
Hi William. All you is record video on at the standard 25fps and using Motion Perfect you up the New Framrate to 200% or 50fps, you leave the audio as is, then you select the video compression you want and hit "Start" and the program does the rest.
As for RAM cache, I might of played around with it when trying to solve the frame droppage problem capturing at 720x576 but it didn't work. Though I'm not game enough to buggerise with the CMOS settings.
Cheers Troy
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Post by William Martin on Jan 23, 2004 11:54:45 GMT
thanks muchly
interesting, perhaps if you play slo-mo 1/2 then record this to video, play the video back to your pc then play that 2 times
by the way the bbc totp2 site has a collection of 30 sec clips of pop performances from 1964 onwards, more to play around with.
by the way you may be of help on the radio board, someone is looking for info on classic aussie radio comedy
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Post by William Martin on Jan 23, 2004 11:58:29 GMT
on a general point, couldn't the same technology be used to replace missing lines of the other 1/2 frame? in supressed field recordings and what about sound? if a picture can be videoised couldn't sound be enhanced in the same way?
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Post by Frank Burns on Jan 26, 2004 22:05:08 GMT
Yeah, I did episode one of "The Mind Of Evil" using MotionPerfect. Took a few weeks as the rendering time was quite slow on my old PIII 500mhz PC (Got a quicker one now, but as luck would have it no time at present!). I use Premiere 6.0 for most of my video work. Once the Motion Perfect software has done, I load the outputted .AVI into Premiere and speed it up by 200%, while changing the Field Options to "interlace consecutive frames". Once rendered, you have a primitive version of VidFIRE(tm)
Apart from the fact I was working from a digitised VHS tape (through Firewire after capturing onto camcorder in the first place for as perfect a copy as possible) the results wers very watchable, save some slightly annoying artefacts due to the noisier picture. Worst was the fact that the software cannot quite cope with heavily detailed moving areas. Examples of this were long, flowing hair passing through a scene, prison bars and a multitude of wires, both with people passing in front/behind each, etc.
I later downloaded some software that digitally cleans up noisy footage as a plug-in into Premiere 6.0. I had to be careful not to turn the controls too far as this itself made the picture toooo clean with an artificial look to it. A bit of noise but the worst removed was a good balance. I then treated this newly-cleaned copies to the Motion Perfect software.
I tried this new arrangement on the clip from "Fury From The Deep" where Mr. Oak and Mr. Quill "gas" Maggie. It was less than a minute and didn't take too long to do. The results were that much better. Again, I had to experiment to get the most acceptable trade-off between noise/grain and overdoing it, but it was fun and I had to watch the clip over and over again, almost in disbelief! Still not as good (nor ever will be either) as the masters, the RT though! As mt PC died a few months back, I cannot remember the name of the clean-up software I only used the once. Hmmm!
FRANK
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Jan 26, 2004 23:49:39 GMT
Im plying around with the same software as the ABC here are broadcasting early dr whos from TR's and i'm capuring them with a very nice pice of hardware,!!
any ideas about that clean up software for premier?
I use TMpeg and it has Noise Reduction which cleans up the image very well and reduses a hell of a lot of Artifacts. but then im burning 3 per disk at 8000 bps
I take it you would need to clean the DV first b4 using Motion Pixles?
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Post by William Martin on Jan 27, 2004 11:28:22 GMT
this all sounds very excititng, green with envy, my computer blew up, well smoked a bit, a while ago and I am computerless at the moment(this was written from a public library)
don't forget the top of the pops clips on the bbc web site. and there are other clips on the bbc cult page including the dr who censored clips and other stuff.
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Post by Madeleine Dawnay on Jan 27, 2004 22:51:15 GMT
so our experiment to put your pc out of action was a success?
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Post by William Martin on Jan 28, 2004 16:30:23 GMT
spectacularly so considering it wasn't even physicaly connected to the internet at the time just what did you use I'm sure the ministry of defence would be interested:)
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Post by Madeleine Dawnay on Jan 28, 2004 23:32:07 GMT
they are too busy probing over your excellent musings on M.Episodes ;-)
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Post by William Martin on Feb 2, 2004 17:41:28 GMT
well I do try my best
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