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Post by ethantyler on Jul 3, 2005 23:29:56 GMT
About a week ago, I acquired a copy of The Kinks performing Wonderboy on a programme that looks like Top of the Pops. I gather this performance is missing from the archives. Neil Barker has very kindly just viewed it and also thinks it's from Top of the Pops. Here are several screen captures from the performance, which runs for two minutes and forty-two seconds:       As you can see, the quality isn't bad, though probably not up to broadcast standard. Would the BBC be interested in obtaining a copy and, if so, who should I contact? I only have the performance in MPG format, but I will be trying to trace the original source in the hope of finding a better quality copy and other missing performances. Unfortunately, I doubt I will be able to contact the source as I only have a long shot to go on, but it's worth a try. If someone can recommend a host where I can upload the file (a 27MB MPG), I will post the link here so that everyone can download a copy. Alternatively, if someone will kindly offer to host the file temporarily, I can make it available that way. |
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Post by Kev on Jul 4, 2005 8:38:35 GMT
imo waste of time contacting Auntie Beeb.
TOTP just ain't sexy.
Now if it was some yoof clip or reality show or politically correct nonsense that's another matter!
It is interesting that Veronica, a dutch tv station appears at the start.
The Kinks were huge in Holland so maybe they ordered it.
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Post by Neil Barker on Jul 4, 2005 9:13:22 GMT
I've just watched it again and it definitely looks like TOTP to me. Kev, was it you who said you had a few seconds of this performance a while back? The song sounds just like the regular single version which is strange as nearly all TOTP performances had live vocals around that time. It hasn't been overdubbed though as you can hear the audience clapping at the end. Thanks again Ethan  |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jul 4, 2005 9:23:48 GMT
This is probably the TOTP clip that Keith Badman reported he'd found residing in a European TV archive a couple of years back. He posted this info here although he'd given up on the BBC making any effort to recover these TOTP / pop clips by then; he'd even tried drawing their attention to such missing material overseas by way of VHS copies as proof of existence. So frustrating that we all know this clip and others are out there in archives but no one with any official capacity wants to bring them back to where they belong for us to all enjoy (that recent anaemic TOTP DVD was so short of exactly this type of material too!) ! What can you do?!? Would mind getting this clip myself though...
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Post by Kev on Jul 4, 2005 10:33:42 GMT
I've just watched it again and it definitely looks like TOTP to me. Kev, was it you who said you had a few seconds of this performance a while back? The song sounds just like the regular single version which is strange as nearly all TOTP performances had live vocals around that time. It hasn't been overdubbed though as you can hear the audience clapping at the end. Thanks again Ethan Hi Neil. Yes got it off the web. Don't have the full version. But do have more now. Something in the post for you tomorrow Neil! |
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Post by Adam James Smith on Jul 4, 2005 10:37:42 GMT
very keen to get this on MPG!; there are only two other surviving visual clips of any kind of the Kinks in 1968 (village green era): the Wonderboy promo made for Pathe films (which uses a drastically shortened version of the song) and the Starstruck promo video.
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Post by gary jordan brum on Jul 4, 2005 11:07:59 GMT
you can download this clip via e donkey to install proggy go to www.edonkey2000.com/search for top of the pops |
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Post by Graham Hammond on Jul 4, 2005 11:11:15 GMT
A little bit of trivia, "Wonderboy" was recorded for TOTP at Lime Grove on 3/4/68 and transmitted on 18/4/68 and also for Time For Blackburn in Southampton on 4/4/68 and transmitted on 13/6/68, the only 2 shows it was performed on.
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Post by gj brum on Jul 4, 2005 11:31:07 GMT
just found it again on e donkey
ed2k://|file|Kinks - You Really Got Me (Beat Club).MPG|22397264|ed8cc2df5cc8a3a2b588794ef6da9efc|
ed2k://|file|Kinks - You Really Got Me (NME Poll Winners Concert, April 1965).mpg|71316588|26af7428dbb02a54854b55a951e67ba9|
ed2k://|file|Kinks - Wonderboy (Top Of The Pops 1968).mpg|28359772|3ad361a8f36daf9a918cf2d0d6591a09|
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Post by William Martin on Jul 4, 2005 14:02:31 GMT
As said totp isn't sexy. The more the clips can be unearthed the better, it seems likely that there is loads of stuff out there and the help of the bbc would be invaluable but it seems we're on our own.
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Jul 4, 2005 15:51:17 GMT
I've got a copy of them doing this and it is perfectly watchable, anyone who is a Kinks fan should try to get this and hassle the beeb! Theres also there performance on totp of sunny afternoon in existance the quality is about the same though. Maybe theres hope in that which ever archive these originate from may decide to exploit them on dvd, like autumn almanac has been on the remember dvd series!
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Post by ethantyler on Jul 5, 2005 3:47:15 GMT
Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise that the BBC weren't particularly interested in lost TOTP footage, I just thought they wanted good quality footage. What a shame! At last the footage exists unofficially for collectors to enjoy. Is there much footage like this that unofficially exists?
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Post by ethantyler on Jul 5, 2005 3:49:28 GMT
very keen to get this on MPG!; there are only two other surviving visual clips of any kind of the Kinks in 1968 (village green era): the Wonderboy promo made for Pathe films (which uses a drastically shortened version of the song) and the Starstruck promo video. Have you got a copy since you posted this message? If not, I can arrange to upload it to a BitTorrent tracker somewhere for you. I've already uploaded it at one tracker, but that's members only and registration is currently disabled. At least one person so far has been very grateful to see it, which is good to see. |
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Post by ethantyler on Jul 5, 2005 3:54:32 GMT
As said totp isn't sexy. The more the clips can be unearthed the better, it seems likely that there is loads of stuff out there and the help of the bbc would be invaluable but it seems we're on our own. I don't think the BBC will ever learn. Just because old TOTP might not be valuable to them now, it might well be in the future. Maybe as home entertainment technology evolves, we'll be able to download programmes onto our television for a fee or maybe they'll one day produce a TOTP2-style series or maybe there will be a demand for vintage performances on DVD or... well, you get the idea. I honestly cannot understand them rejecting any missing footage regardless of the quality. It would be good if someone could force them to accept the footage - "You're not having the Moon landing footage unless you take the TOTP footage too!".  |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jul 5, 2005 5:37:03 GMT
I don't think the BBC will ever learn. Just because old TOTP might not be valuable to them now, it might well be in the future. Very sadly I agree with you. Evidence by all accounts suggests that missing TOTP footage is very low priority for BBC recovery (despite the fact that - by their own admission - embarrassingly little remains of the show from the '60s and retrospectives like TOTP2 / Sounds Of The '60s and the DVD release had to really scratch around for footage or re-use the same clips repeatedly!) Yes, there is quite a bit of TOTP footage out there that is known about and known to be missing: most obviously a whole string of colour clips from the early '70s that were used in the German "Disco" programme. In addition there are some '60s b/w clips by artists like The Kinks (several), The Walker Brothers, Manfred Mann (at least two), Hendrix, The Hollies, Donovan etc etc. The BBC have been made aware of this material and where a lot of it resides...but it still hasn't been recovered. So what can you do?!? |
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