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Post by Zodiac on Jan 10, 2004 20:26:38 GMT
I have it direct from Carlton that 1" tape copies exist of TIMESLIP....no NOT colour but at least direct video material which may be better than the 16mm film telerecordings. Dont know any more details yet.
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Post by Peter F on Jan 10, 2004 20:29:17 GMT
I'd wager £5 and a toffee that these 1" tapes are the sub-masters used for the VHS release. And, given the quality of those transfers from the 16mm film recordings, not worth a second look.
Peter
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 10, 2004 21:44:16 GMT
I'd wager that as well! I'd love to be proved wrong though...
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Post by Zodiac on Jan 11, 2004 10:09:59 GMT
I'd wager £5 and a toffee that these 1" tapes are the sub-masters used for the VHS release. And, given the quality of those transfers from the 16mm film recordings, not worth a second look. Peter Whar are SUB MASTERS exactly, do you mean the tape used to actually run off the VHS releases or to produce a further duplication master? Would that not have been digibeta, or no, that was 1993 was it not, no digibeta? The iinformation I got was that the tapes had been examined and found to be in black and white, hence suggesting they are not recent *sub masters*but were unknown in precise content. I will check on Monday and find out....
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Post by H Hartley on Jan 11, 2004 12:00:07 GMT
quote "What are SUB MASTERS exactly" basically if you wanted to make VHSs in the 1980/90s then the duplication house would only accept 1inch as the master to duplicate from.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 11, 2004 14:19:42 GMT
Sub-masters are secondary masters that are run off from the masters (for duplication, as a fail-safe or for whatever reason).
These particular masters could conceivably be those used for the VHS release in the early '90s. ITC could well have still been using 1" at this point (they were particularly slow at taking up new formats). If these are the VHS masters then they won't really be of much use; they were sourced from the largely unrepaired t/rs and - even worse - the ad breaks and ATV logos were just hacked out. Totally unsuitable for a DVD release. Decently restored prints, caps intact and Vidfire are what's needed. Worth looking to find out though, just in case.
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Post by Zodiac on Jan 11, 2004 14:37:30 GMT
Sub-masters are secondary masters that are run off from the masters (for duplication, as a fail-safe or for whatever reason). These particular masters could conceivably be those used for the VHS release in the early '90s. ITC could well have still been using 1" at this point (they were particularly slow at taking up new formats). If these are the VHS masters then they won't really be of much use; they were sourced from the largely unrepaired t/rs and - even worse - the ad breaks and ATV logos were just hacked out. Totally unsuitable for a DVD release. Decently restored prints, caps intact and Vidfire are what's needed. Worth looking to find out though, just in case. Dont think the t/r's would have had the ATV start up idents from the original tapes, only the end static one. The start would presumably have been an inserted 'ITC presents' logo on the t/r's for international distribution, with the ATV end caption followed by an ITC ident.
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Post by H Hartley on Jan 11, 2004 15:03:21 GMT
I did own the second ? adventure on vhs. If i remember correctly no ATV idents at all and the ad breaks may have been just a simple fade, it appeared intact otherwise . The picture was typical of VHS releases of that day, a bit flat and dull. The Spyders Web release did have the ad breaks and the end cap which said it was a colour production but the vhs release was B/W.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 11, 2004 17:35:31 GMT
I've got all the Timeslip VHS releases and they removed the end caps, although the music usually carried on over a blank screen where they once were! The ad breaks were done as straight cuts, if I rememer rightly, and on a few occasions you can hear a snippet of music dying away. The start idents probably weren't present on these t/rs though, as they are likely to overseas sales prints. They also decided to superimposed a "part one" or "part two" cap on the title screen of the first episode on each tape, which was annoying (as if people couldn't work this out for themselves!)
The prints were generally very murky, particularly in darker scenes or where there were several colours near to each other in the spectrum (in these cases, everything merges into a kind of indistinct mid-grey). The prints need re-grading on the grey scale front, at the very least. It needs a Seeds Of Death-style makeover and Vidfire though really.
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Post by Zodiac on Jan 12, 2004 12:30:42 GMT
It has been confirmed the TS 1" tapes are the master tapes used for VHS release after all. Oh well, one little area cleared up then...
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Post by William Martin on Jan 12, 2004 13:59:49 GMT
time slip spoonerised slime tip
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Post by Dave Auger on Jan 14, 2004 23:34:45 GMT
I've got all the Timeslip VHS releases and they removed the ... ad breaks were done as straight cuts, if I rememer rightly, and on a few occasions you can hear a snippet of music dying away. The cuts around the advert breaks were quite bad. I remember one episode of the first story where, because the same set and characters were used before and after the advert breaks, when the ad caps were removed, the mother character played by Iris Russell appeared to jump from one part of the set to another!
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Post by William Martin on Jan 16, 2004 11:32:20 GMT
time slip sthingyerised slime tip oh dear, sthingyerism it thingyd s.p.o.o.n.e.r.i.s.e p.o.o.n
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Post by Zodiac on Jan 18, 2004 21:01:50 GMT
Managed to get hold of the known surviving episode 12 of TS in colour from a trade forum....lovely bit of archive TV or what!! Well worth seeing even it is is 4th generation vhs and timecoded, the colours in the Ice Box and the computer room are amazing.....
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Post by Gatchaman on Jan 24, 2004 15:55:00 GMT
This is posted on the forum over at The Official Timeslip Website...
Carlton have digitally re-mastered all 26 episodes of Timeslip from 16mm B&W film. These B&W versions have been transferred to a digital format and cleaned up. We have also digitally transferred the one surviving 2" PAL colour episode.
Carlton Visual will be releasing sometime later this year. Date to be confirmed.
Looks like Carlton aren't waiting to see if the 'missing' colour eps. turn up, then...
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