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Post by Gary Robinson on Jan 2, 2004 22:31:45 GMT
What are the chances of this story turning up soon?I remember watching the original transmission and it probably rates as the holy grail !
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Post by Gareth R on Jan 3, 2004 2:34:40 GMT
What are the chances of this story turning up soon?
Exactly the same as for any other missing story.
In other words - breath-holding is officially discouraged...
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Post by BMax on Jan 3, 2004 16:24:18 GMT
Hi All, just stumbled onto this site via the mausoleum club and have to say it makes for very interesting reading. Funny you should mention 'Web Of Fear', but years ago I did see the first few minutes of episode Two!! A friend of mine was supposed to be getting it and he had the first few minutes sent as a 'taster' so to speak and the rest of it he had to buy for some ridicolous amount, of which his friends were all going to chip in for. Wether or not he got the episode in question in the end, I don't know as i went to live in Australia for ten years and lost touch. But I can categorically state that I did see the beginning of Episode two of 'The Web of fear' complete with opening titles and it did say 'Web Of fear'..' Episode two' as true as i am sat here typing this now!! This was well over 15 years ago now so maybe old news.. Regards
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Post by Steve Roberts on Jan 3, 2004 17:16:44 GMT
Hi All, just stumbled onto this site via the mausoleum club and have to say it makes for very interesting reading. Funny you should mention 'Web Of Fear', but years ago I did see the first few minutes of episode Two!! A friend of mine was supposed to be getting it and he had the first few minutes sent as a 'taster' so to speak and the rest of it he had to buy for some ridicolous amount, of which his friends were all going to chip in for. Wether or not he got the episode in question in the end, I don't know as i went to live in Australia for ten years and lost touch. But I can categorically state that I did see the beginning of Episode two of 'The Web of fear' complete with opening titles and it did say 'Web Of fear'..' Episode two' as true as i am sat here typing this now!! This was well over 15 years ago now so maybe old news.. Regards I've seen that two, it was simply some clean titles backgrounds with new text keyed over the top and the beginning of the action taken from the end of the previous episode. I wouldn't have thought it would have fooled anybody, but obviously I was wrong! Steve
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Post by BMax on Jan 3, 2004 18:33:57 GMT
'it was simply some clean titles backgrounds with new text keyed over the top' In 1984/5 (when i saw this) who would have had clean title-sequence backgrounds and also have the technological capability to key new text over them and also make it look authentic? Unless it was a professional job then I doubt it somehow.
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Post by Steve Roberts on Jan 3, 2004 18:43:53 GMT
Loads of people has that sort of kit back then - hell, *I* had that sort of kit back then and I was still just a student! And as for access to the clean backgrounds, you could get hold of them easily from the 'usual sources', same as you could get hold of any of the episodes.
Steve
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Jan 4, 2004 1:23:25 GMT
I know the person (he shall remain nameles) who edited the 'Web of Fear' episode two 2-minute teaser back in 1987.
It was done on the fly on VHS, cutting from the opening titles of 'Web' part one just after the story caption into the titles of 'Abominable Snowmen' part two for the 'Episode 2' and 'Written by Mervyn Haisman and Henry Lincoln' captions. This worked seamlessly - pure chance that it was frame accurate. Then the fade to black, and back to the last minute of 'Web' part one, which ended on the last frame pre-end credits and then had a blast of static.
No clean Troughton titles were needed, or even a vision mixer. Just two slaved VHS machines, and a copy of the two episodes.
This 'teaser' was 'accidently' shown at the first 'Tellycon' convention in 1987 just after 'Faceless Ones' three was premiered, but only on selected monitors around the convention - not in the main hall itself. I know a few people saw it, and the whispers carry on to this day...
I'm sure copies got out, and it would seem that someone who got one tried to work a scam based on it, if the original post is to go by. But I hasten to add, this was not done by the person who made the original tape, or anyone connected to 'Tellycon'.
Regards,
Richard
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 4, 2004 15:10:19 GMT
Does anybody know how many copies of each story were actually made / circulated at the time? Also, how does this figure differ from the earlier Hartnells (as I understand the Troughtons were sold less widely)?
Web Of Fear remains my personal "most wanted" Doctor Who story and it would be good to think someone out there has it (i'm sure they do - somewhere or other).
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Jan 4, 2004 23:27:03 GMT
There are no surviving accurate records of how many copies were made of which particular 'Doctor Who' stories. There are limited records to show which countries purchased which stories, but this figure includes episodes which may have been 'bicycled' between coutries.
For 'The Web of Fear', we know the following:
Known sales: 7 countries
Australia - Purchased 11/06/68 Initial screening on ABC followed by a repeat about 12 months later. Shown in all six regions on differerent days - the six TV 'regions' of the country were Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide & Hobart. I only have tx dates for Sydney (--/12/68 - 06/01/69, --/12/69 - --/12/69) and Brisbane (15/12/68 - 19/01/69, 02/01/70 - 09/01/70).
Hong Kong - Purchased --/05/70 Episode 1 returned to the BBC from Hong Kong - originally I thought this was around 1979, but it could have been as early as 1976...
Singapore - Purchased --/05/70 Possibly screeened in 1970. And also possibly in the same 'bicycling loop' at this point as New Zealand and Hong Kong.
New Zealand - Purchased - 09/11/70 The story was only screened once in each of the four 'TV areas' - Wellington (14/06/71 - 19/07/71), Auckland (21/06/71 - 26/07/71), Christchurch (28/06/71 - 02/08/71) and Dunedin (05/07/71 - 09/08/71). There is no record of what happened to NZ's films after NZBC finished with them (Unlike most of their DW purchases), but they were obviously edited 'coz of the censored film clips from this story that was found the other year in New Zealand.
Gibralter - Purchased --/04/73 Zambia - Purchased --/10/73 Nigeria - Purchased --/10/74 No further information from any of these three countries.
So it seems that at best there were seven film copies of this story, but it could be a lot less than that.
Regards,
Richard
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Post by William Martin on Jan 5, 2004 18:45:04 GMT
bicycling does mean that fewer copies were made and since more copies were made of the hartnel stories, the web of fear, and all troughtons, has less chance than others
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Post by Gary Robinson on Jan 5, 2004 22:14:03 GMT
So basically the story was still popular enough to be selling in October 74 and yet was junked in 75?What happened to the copies sent abroad did the BBC send a directive for the tv companies to destroy them?or to be sent back to the BBC for junking? I was hopeful of it turning up in Hong Kong I always thought it seemed strange that just " Tomb " was found and nothing else ? was everything checked out (in the light of the Adam Adamant find)different film cans etc?
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Post by ROBBIE JACKSON on Feb 7, 2004 4:13:14 GMT
I've seen that two, it was simply some clean titles backgrounds with new text keyed over the top and the beginning of the action taken from the end of the previous episode. I wouldn't have thought it would have fooled anybody, but obviously I was wrong! Steve QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO,I HEARD OF A MAN CALLED ROGER LEGREE WHO I WAS TOLD HAD A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MISSING DOCTOR WHO EPISODES IN SOME FORM OR OTHER. EPISODES FROM STORIES SUCH AS THE SPACE PIRATES AND INDEED WEB OF FEAR WERE MENTIONED. HAS ANYONE FOLLOWED THIS UP?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 7, 2004 5:07:29 GMT
Clue # 1: Loads of people has that sort of kit back then - hell, *I* had that sort of kit back then .. Steve Clue #2: I know the person (he shall remain nameles) who edited the 'Web of Fear' episode two 2-minute teaser back in 1987. Hmm .... Does 1+1=2? :-) Nick
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Post by Steve Roberts on Feb 7, 2004 7:59:39 GMT
Erm, Robbie, could be a bit more careful with your quotes please? You're making it look like I've said something that I haven't! Roger is still around - in fact you'll find him credited on a few DVD featurettes on the Doctor Who discs. It's unlikely that he has anything, but you can never tell with Roger, he's a terrible tease! Steve
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Post by Steve Roberts on Feb 7, 2004 8:01:39 GMT
Clue # 1: Clue #2: Hmm .... Does 1+1=2? :-) Nick No Nick, it doesn't. I didn't meet Richard until 1993, for starters! Steve
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