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Post by Pete Seaton on Feb 18, 2004 18:23:16 GMT
(knowing that the original studio performances dont exist, in some private hands maybe) my attention has bveen now moved to the promo films which WERE shown on TOTP, and the original footage only
going through theTOTP database, I have found that
Beatles - I feel fine & Day Tripper (promo's) that were shown on TOTP back in the 60's were shown on The Tube back in 1987
can anyone shed any light to which of the Beatles original b/w promo's exist, and (b/w when normally would be colour) and do they exist in full, and which shows were they repeated on including TOTP2
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Post by Krystyna on Feb 18, 2004 21:51:24 GMT
I seem to remember loads of artists making promo films and although in the TOTP database they are down as not there I wonder if they may exist in private hands.
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Post by Peter Chadwick on Feb 19, 2004 7:13:33 GMT
can anyone shed any light to which of the Beatles original b/w promo's exist, and (b/w when normally would be colour) and do they exist in full, and which shows were they repeated on including TOTP2 _______________________________ All of The Beatles' promo films/video's still exist,having been paid for by Brian Epstein's company. I'm not sure whether the two alternate films of 'Paperback Writer' and 'Rain' exist though,as I have never seen any of them bootlegged(the b/w studio video of PW does exist). Most of the films/videos were sent out by Apple to promote the '62-66' & '67-70' cd issues in 1993, and the '1' album a few years back. |
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Post by Richard Hunter on Feb 19, 2004 8:30:50 GMT
Pete
Have you tried looking on the Anthology DVD set?
I bought this as a Xmas present for my Dad. He has finished watching it so I'll keep an eye out if you haven't seen it yet yourself.
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Post by Syd Van Vliet on Feb 19, 2004 9:51:16 GMT
With the exception of “Eleanor Rigby/Yellow Submarine” & “All you need is love“, promo films exist for all UK Beatle singles from “Help!” onwards (in some cases there is more than one version), the 1st “Help!” promo is the performance from the film minus the credits and darts being thrown at the screen, “All you need is love” was of course performed for “Our World” and effectively doubled up as a promo.
There were 3 promo films shot for “Rain” (1 exclusive colour indoor vt for Ed Sullivan, 1 colour outdoors at Chiswick house and 1 b&w) and 4 for “Paperback writer” (same as “Rain” plus an extra b&w one for some reason), they also mimed these two tracks live on TOTP, all survive including the multiple PB & Rain clips.
Anthology only confuses matters as this creates new versions of promo’s by splicing different versions together and in some cases, adding out-takes.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Feb 19, 2004 11:16:52 GMT
The term promo is a bit vague as well as there are both film and video promos. As mentioned above, all the NEMS/Apple/Intertel Beatles promos (video and film) still exist. There may even be extra takes on the VT reels of some of these, as Mark Lewisohn's book suggests. As Syd says, things are made more confusing by Apple effectively creating new promos for the Anthology comprised of composite edits of the old material.
What Pete is probably talking about here though are the promo films made by TOTP to represent a song by an artist not on the show that week. The Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby one plus another for Hello Goodbye seem to be missing (the latter was really just compiled stock footage and not specially shot for TOTP - which blurs the definitions even more!). There may be one or two others of the same sort. Most of the specially shot TOTP films made before 1970 seem to be missing though (possibly some exist in private hands, possibly the cameramen who shot them). From early 1970 up to the mid '70s, a lot of these individual films seem to survive at the BBC. These have been indicated on the TOTP Database. Hope this clears things up.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Feb 19, 2004 11:21:37 GMT
When I said TOTP films from 1970 onwards, I was referring to all artists, not just The Beatles, by the way. Also, when I said about Yellow Sub / Hello Goodbye and a few others missing, I was specifically referring to The Beatles. In general, all TOTP films pre-1970 are missing.
Just re-read my own (possibly confusing) words back there and so I thought i'd clear that bit up!
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Post by Syd Van Vliet on Feb 19, 2004 14:12:52 GMT
One missing Beatle Gem might be a TOTP “Hello Goodbye” film, I don't have the details to hand but there were at least two new versions of “Hello Goodbye” created by the BBC when the Beatles own “Twist” version for the UK was rejected as it was deemed to include a small amount of forbidden miming, the first BBC creation used clips from “A hard days night” which the fabs weren’t too happy about, so the BBC then filmed the Beatles editing/watching the “Magical Mystery Tour” film - has anybody seen this since? I think it was included on part one of the 1967 Xmas editions (sadly not the one that was saved).
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Post by Pete on Feb 19, 2004 15:13:00 GMT
Pete Have you tried looking on the Anthology DVD set? I bought this as a Xmas present for my Dad. He has finished watching it so I'll keep an eye out if you haven't seen it yet yourself. I have the DVD set and quite frankly i'm very disappointed. the songs are incomplete and over spliced with interview, it's high time that the proper promo's and TV raraties were issued on DVD. |
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Post by Pete on Feb 19, 2004 15:21:10 GMT
can anyone clear up what exactly was seen on the screen for anything other than the TOTP studio stuff.....
for example for the promo shown for "Hard days night" on TOTP back in 64
is this the same version as in the film with the guys running for the train etc (at the start of the film)
id love to see a complete list of all of ANY promo's (any artists) and where to find them
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Post by Laurence Piper on Feb 19, 2004 16:04:53 GMT
The Beatles also recorded TOTP mimed performance clips for the song A Hard Day's Night and also for others like Things We Said Today. All clips now wiped of course.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Feb 19, 2004 16:07:29 GMT
All the TOTP promo films are listed on the TOTP database, Pete. If you want to know what they were, just go through year by year.
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Post by Pete on Feb 19, 2004 21:12:12 GMT
i know they are in the BBC database
i wasnt asking that
I want to know which version is the actual promos that were shown on the partucular day(s)
and where do they exist, and why arent they shown on TV, and or released as a compilation DVD
1's on DVD is a must............
something anthology never did, and thats show ALL the
promo's in their entirety and no chatter all over them.
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Feb 20, 2004 2:29:57 GMT
For the release of the Beatles "1's" album a promo video was released in the US. This is the source for the much bootlegged DVD. Does anyone know if any of these videos were used on TOTP's?
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