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Post by Paul Cooksley on Jan 13, 2004 20:24:57 GMT
Reading a thread about 'TOTP' over on TV Ark, I noticed these comments:-
"The surviving Everett episode only exists in raw unedited form, though - with retakes and fluffs intact. To actually show it would involve a proper editing job, though I think one of the Xmas shows was re-built in this way. There's an edition from 1977 that still exists in this format too (the one with Bowie performing 'Heroes' - I don't know whether the TX version is still around."
Can anyone shed any light on this and indeed, if these two edtions are surviving like this, what they actually consist of "retake" wise? Anyone have any idea??
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Post by SteveP on Jan 13, 2004 22:29:05 GMT
Reading a thread about 'TOTP' over on TV Ark, I noticed these comments:- "The surviving Everett episode only exists in raw unedited form, though - with retakes and fluffs intact. To actually show it would involve a proper editing job, though I think one of the Xmas shows was re-built in this way. There's an edition from 1977 that still exists in this format too (the one with Bowie performing 'Heroes' - I don't know whether the TX version is still around." Can anyone shed any light on this and indeed, if these two edtions are surviving like this, what they actually consist of "retake" wise? Anyone have any idea?? At a *guess*, I think it is probably unlikely the Everett episodes exists at the BBC, as some sort of clip would have found its way "out" by now. Also no sets of performances from his shows are shown as existing on the TOTP2 database, which seeks to include "individual performance" material. If there was a studio recording of one of his episodes, we would surely have seen some lone clips from it on (e.g.) TOTP2 by now - they use lots of stuff from episodes which are not complete. Steve |
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Post by Simon Mclean on Jan 14, 2004 0:04:51 GMT
That was me who did that post (I get about a bit!).
The Everett edition is from 1973, and is held at the Beeb in full unedited format. A couple of brief clips of Ev in action appeared on 'Stars Reunited' (he did the whole show dressed as a country bumpkin), and the ELO performance of 'Showdown' has surfaced on TOTP2 occasionally, but aside from that I don't think anything else has made it out, bizarrely.
As regards retakes, Kenny re-does a couple of links, the record Pan's People dance to doesn't get cued in time, an effects shot in the Simon Park Orchestra's performance gets muffed up, and the end credits go a bit wrong, so the entire show is re-done from Simon Park onwards (he was the last act on.)
The '77 edition is much less interesting, with Dorothy Moore doing a retake, David Bowie hanging around waiting for his cue, and DLT doing a bit of off camera chat.
I can't remember which Xmas edition was reconstructed from the surviving studio tape, I think it was possible 25/12/73 or 74, but Noel Edmonds and Tony Blackburn hosted, and Peters & Lee and Slade were on it. I think it was remade for a 1990s repeat - I just hope nobody's wiped the studio tape in the interim!
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Post by SteveP on Jan 14, 2004 11:33:05 GMT
That was me who did that post (I get about a bit!). The Everett edition is from 1973, and is held at the Beeb in full unedited format. A couple of brief clips of Ev in action appeared on 'Stars Reunited' (he did the whole show dressed as a country bumpkin), and the ELO performance of 'Showdown' has surfaced on TOTP2 occasionally, but aside from that I don't think anything else has made it out, bizarrely. That's really odd. Given these strange "islands" of non-reusage that there are in the TOTP archives, one can't help wondering that their cataloguing is missing some tapes that they actually do have! It is the 1973 one, which was repeated 10 or so years ago at Xmas time. I've seen the studio recording of this. There is a mis-cue of the standard TOTP clapping effect, which makes Edmonds do the link again. Later Edmonds fluffs again, but since the camera pans from Peters & Lee over to him for the link at the end of the song, Peters and Lee end up doing their whole song again just so the link can be re-done! The last balls up I remember is during The Simon Park Orchestra ("Eye Level") where the song stops halfway through, and the orchestra just sit there for about 10 mins with the tape still recording, before starting again. There's no obvious explanation for this. Oh yes, I think that's the edition where The Sweet do "Blockbuster" twice. The only difference is that one of them is wearing a Swastika which is framed out of shot on the re-take (someone in the gallery must have noticed it). The Glam Rock 2 commercial home video has the outtake version; elsewhere (eg TOTP2) the retake usually gets used. Steve |
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Post by Simon Mclean on Jan 14, 2004 11:55:40 GMT
I saw the BBC VHS viewing copy of Xmas 73, and the edited version had been taped over the unedited version, so there was just a little bit of it at the end, from the link into the Peters & Lee reprise onwards. I'm glad the whole thing is still out there!
Poor old Simon Park - he did have to suffer for his TOTP appearances!
I agree though, it is strange how many performances have never been repeated on TOTP2 - there are quite a few interesting 1970s ones that haven't seen the light of day yet. Obviously there's a lot missing from that decade, but even so I don't think it's being exploited enough.
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Post by Jeff Vagg on Jan 14, 2004 13:36:15 GMT
From memory of the 90's repeat, I seem to remember that Eye Level itself is edited to about 2 mins (or am I mistaken?)
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Post by pete on Jan 14, 2004 16:19:54 GMT
do you own a copy of the unedited bits  ?? |
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Post by Jeff Vagg on Jan 14, 2004 16:32:17 GMT
No, it just seemed shorter than the actual record, that's all
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Post by Simon Mclean on Jan 14, 2004 17:36:44 GMT
It's definitely a shorter performance, and rather rushed, on the final version. The orchestra must have been kept waiting a long time - Simon Park had grown a beard by the time they got round to doing the final version.  |
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Post by Alan Smith on Jan 15, 2004 11:49:03 GMT
Sorry to butt in folks! but I noticed on the TOTP Pan's People existing clips that "Stoney End" by Barbara Streisand /Pan's People is listed as existing dated 30th Dec 1971. Was this from the Xmas pt 2 1971 show? and if so then was the UK gold edition edited? AS. |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Jan 15, 2004 18:39:33 GMT
This will be one of the many film inserts that exists from TOTP. Not from a complete show.
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Post by Mark Kerridge on Jan 19, 2004 20:06:08 GMT
Slade - "My Friend Stan" has been featured - there is a clip on the TOTP2 site.
Also, as regards the Status Quo performance of "Caroline", is it a different performance to 27/9/73?
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Post by Simon Mclean on Jan 19, 2004 21:34:54 GMT
I don't recall Slade or the Quo appearing on it (it's the 11/10/73 edition) - this may be an error on the database. I'll look into this and get back to you.
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Post by William Martin on Jan 23, 2004 13:37:50 GMT
Top of the Pops "Raw & Un-edited"
sounds like an 18 rated episode
does anyone have an off air audio as this would make restoration of this episode easier.
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