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Post by Kevin Mulrennan on Nov 10, 2003 11:26:08 GMT
I was reading recently in the Radio Times about the Long Distance Piano Player, broadcast in 1970 with Ray Davies acting for the first time on T.V.
1. Does it still exist or has it been wiped?
2. It mentions that Ray wrote two songs specially for this play? What were they?
3. Does anyone know where I can get a complete list of Kinks T.V. appearances on the net?
Cheers
Kev
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2003 13:02:50 GMT
There's information about this play on the fantastic Mausoleum Club site - have a look at - www.the-mausoleum-club.org.ukAccording to them it exists as a b/w film recording. As for a complete list of Kinks shows, don't know of one but maybe now's the time to start one! It'll be a big job as they were on shows across Europe and in the USA. |
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Post by Adam James Smith on Nov 13, 2003 20:58:34 GMT
Oh Man, this is the topic I was put here to answer!The Kinks are my favourite band!
Okay; the answer to the first part is: YES the loneliness of the long-distance piano player does exist, though only in black and white (originally in colour). Songs performed were "Marathon" and "Got to be Free". The programme's only known viewing since was at a 1994 Kinks convention.
As for Kinks known TV appearances, how long you got? There are the ones I know of, up to 1970: (obviously there are huge holes in this, but it should be a start!)
1964:
TEXT
Long Tall Sally: I have seen a clip of the very early Kinks performing this song live, filmed at a Cavern-style club. History records that they appeared on"Ready Steady Go" for this performance, but I'm not sure if this is the same clip. Anyway one performance of this exists.
TEXT (1964)(exists)
You Really Got Me
Got Love if you want it:
TEXT (1964) (do not exist)
You really Got Me
All day and all of the night
TEXT (1965)(exists)
You Really Got Me
All Day and all of the night:
TEXT (all 1965)(all exists)
You Really Got Me
All Day and all of the night
Tired of Waiting for you
Long Tall Shorty
I'm a Lover not a fighter
Beautiful Delilah
It’s alright
I Gotta Move
Set Me Free
Who’ll be the next in Line?
See my Friends
TEXT , 1965, none exist
Tired of waiting
Everybody’s gonna be happy
Set Me free
See my friends
Till the end of the day
TEXT (Swedish show, 1965) (exists)
Wonder Where my baby is tonight
Set Me Free
There’s another performance of See my friends from this time, I’m not sure what show it’s from, and there’s also a Docu thing on Ray Davies where he walks down the street to the tune of “Well Respected Man” while the titles of all his songs scroll down the screen: again, don’t know what this is from.
TEXT (German Show, late 1965) (exists)
Live performances of
A Well respected Man
Milk Cow Blues
(I think) I’m a lover not a fighter
Till the End of the Day
You Really Got Me
There was apparently a promo film made for “Dedicated Follower of Fashion” is early 1966, but it appears to have been lost. No visual performances of this show seem to exist.
TEXT (1966) (does not exist)
Dedicated Follower
TEXT (1966) (exists)
Sunny Afternoon (performed as a 3-piece!)
TEXT (1966)
Sunny afternoon (according to Keith Badman, this exists in private hands)
There was also a promo film made for foreign TV for Sunny Afternoon
which still exists.
There is also the famous promo film for “Dead End Street” (1966) which was banned at the time but is now in heavy rotation on VH1 rock classics!
TEXT (1966) (does not exist)
On the penultimate edition of this show, Pete Quaife and Dave Davies were interviewed.
TEXT (1966-7) (do not exist)
Dead End Street
TEXT (april 1967) (does not seem to exist)
A Well Respected Man
Dandy
TEXT (various edition of German Show, 1967) (exists)
Waterloo Sunset
Mr Pleasant
Death of a Clown
Susannah’s still Alive
TEXT (1967) (exists outside BBC)
Autumn Almanac
TEXT (1968) (exists privately according to Keith Badman)
Wonderboy
TEXT (1968) (does not exist)
Days
TEXT (1968) (probably does not exist)
Days
TEXT (1968) (probably does not exist)
Sitting by the Riverside
Days
TEXT (july 1968) (does not exist)
Dedicated Follower of Fashion
A Well Respected Man
Death of a Clown
Sunny Afternoon
Lincoln County
Picture Book
Sitting By the Riverside
She’s Got everything
Picture Book
Two Sisters
Days
TEXT (January 1969) (does not exist)
Picture Book
Last of the Steam Powered Trains
TEXT (1969) (exists)
Plastic Man
TEXT (1969) (do not exist)
Drivin
Victoria
TEXT (1970) (exists)
Lola
Apeman
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Post by Adam James Smith on Nov 13, 2003 21:00:09 GMT
Gahh! Forget my attempt at boldening there! read this instead, the proper version!
Oh Man, this is the topic I was put here to answer!The Kinks are my favourite band!
Okay; the answer to the first part is: YES the loneliness of the long-distance piano player does exist, though only in black and white (originally in colour). Songs performed were "Marathon" and "Got to be Free". The programme's only known viewing since was at a 1994 Kinks convention.
As for Kinks known TV appearances, how long you got? There are the ones I know of, up to 1970: (obviously there are huge holes in this, but it should be a start!)
1964:
Ready Steady Go??
Long Tall Sally: I have seen a clip of the very early Kinks performing this song live, filmed at a Cavern-style club. History records that they appeared on"Ready Steady Go" for this performance, but I'm not sure if this is the same clip. Anyway one performance of this exists.
The Beat Room (1964)(exists)
You Really Got Me
Got Love if you want it:
Top of the Pops (1964) (do not exist)
You really Got Me
All day and all of the night
Hullabaloo (1965)(exists)
You Really Got Me
All Day and all of the night:
various appearances on Shindig! (all 1965)(all exists)
You Really Got Me
All Day and all of the night
Tired of Waiting for you
Long Tall Shorty
I'm a Lover not a fighter
Beautiful Delilah
It’s alright
I Gotta Move
Set Me Free
Who’ll be the next in Line?
See my Friends
Various Top of the Pops , 1965, none exist
Tired of waiting
Everybody’s gonna be happy
Set Me free
See my friends
Till the end of the day
Drop-In!! (Swedish show, 1965) (exists)
Wonder Where my baby is tonight
Set Me Free
There’s another performance of See my friends from this time, I’m not sure what show it’s from, and there’s also a Docu thing on Ray Davies where he walks down the street to the tune of “Well Respected Man” while the titles of all his songs scroll down the screen: again, don’t know what this is from.
Beat Beat Beat! (German Show, late 1965) (exists)
Live performances of
A Well respected Man
Milk Cow Blues
(I think) I’m a lover not a fighter
Till the End of the Day
You Really Got Me
There was apparently a promo film made for “Dedicated Follower of Fashion” is early 1966, but it appears to have been lost. No visual performances of this show seem to exist.
Top of the Pops (1966) (does not exist)
Dedicated Follower
Thank Your Lucky Stars (1966) (exists)
Sunny Afternoon (performed as a 3-piece!)
Top of the Pops (1966)
Sunny afternoon (according to Keith Badman, this exists in private hands)
There was also a promo film made for foreign TV for Sunny Afternoon
which still exists.
There is also the famous promo film for “Dead End Street” (1966) which was banned at the time but is now in heavy rotation on VH1 rock classics!
Ready Steady Go (1966) (does not exist)
On the penultimate edition of this show, Pete Quaife and Dave Davies were interviewed.
Top of the Pops (1966-7) (do no exist)
Dead End Street
Picadilly Palace (april 1967) (does not seem to exist)
A Well Respected Man
Dandy
Beat Club (various edition of German Show, 1967) (exists)
Waterloo Sunset
Mr Pleasant
Death of a Clown
Susannah’s still Alive
Top of the Pops (1967) (exists outside BBC)
Autumn Almanac
Top of the Pops (1968) (exists privately according to Keith Badman)
Wonderboy
Top of the Pops (1968) (does not exist)
Days
Crackerjack (1968) (probably does not exist)
Days
Late Night Line-up (1968) (probably does not exist)
Sitting by the Riverside
Days
Colour Me Pop (july 1968) (does not exist)
Dedicated Follower of Fashion
A Well Respected Man
Death of a Clown
Sunny Afternoon
Lincoln County
Picture Book
Sitting By the Riverside
She’s Got everything
Picture Book
Two Sisters
Days
Once More with Felix (January 1969) (does not exist)
Picture Book
Last of the Steam Powered Trains
Beat Club (1969) (exists)
Plastic Man
Top of the Pops (1969) (do not exist)
Drivin
Victoria
Top of the Pops (1970) (exists)
Lola
Apeman
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Post by Adam James Smith on Nov 13, 2003 22:23:46 GMT
Adendum..thye were also on "Pop Go the Sixties" in late 1969..miming "Days"..can't believe I forgot that one!
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2003 0:19:50 GMT
Just a couple of additions: the surviving See My Friends VT clip is from either a Danish or Swedish TV show. Also, there is (at very least) a VHS of the TOTP Sunny Afternoon clip. I saw this at the NFT in the '90s. It was poor quality but assumed that there was a film copy out there somewhere. John Dalton was on bass, during the time when he reeplaced Pete Quaife briefly.
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Post by Kevin Mulrennan on Nov 14, 2003 8:43:04 GMT
Thanks for the list. It is excellent!
1964:
Ready Steady Go??
Long Tall Sally: I have seen a clip of the very early Kinks performing this song live, filmed at a Cavern-style club. History records that they appeared on"Ready Steady Go" for this performance, but I'm not sure if this is the same clip. Anyway one performance of this exists.
This is not RSG. More likely to be Granada. I know Granada filmed footage of the Beatles at the Cavern. At the time they didn't think it was worthy of airing. Beatlemania soon changed that!
There was apparently a promo film made for “Dedicated Follower of Fashion” is early 1966, but it appears to have been lost. No visual performances of this show seem to exist.
The Story of the Kinks has a brief clip of Dedicated consisting of shots of trendy 60's boutiques. Could it be that it was one of those promo films that features little if any footage of the group?
Thank Your Lucky Stars (1966) (exists)
Sunny Afternoon (performed as a 3-piece!)
Chris Tarrant at the end of a Pop Quiz showed a clip of the Kinks performing Sunny Afternoon as a 3 piece. (Dave on bass) Is this the same clip? How did this clip survive from Lucky Stars if nearly all of it was wiped?
Picadilly Palace (april 1967) (does not seem to exist)
A Well Respected Man
Dandy
Never seen this footage, but Johnny Rogan mentions it in The Sound and the Fury book about the Kinks, so I would say it exists.
I bought a video of the Kinks in the late 80's. In a big sticker on the front it said "contains footage from Shindig and Ready Steady Go". I was a little disappointed to say the least to find a live track from the 70's had been pasted onto the footage.
Either the video was lieing by saying it was RSG footage, or it proves that some Kinks RSG footage exists somewhere. I can't decide whether there is RSG footage or whether it's just all from Shindig.
Thank once again for the info, and any more info on the TYLS clip would be most welcome.
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Post by Adam James Smith on Nov 14, 2003 10:51:44 GMT
>>>>This is not RSG. More likely to be Granada. I know Granada filmed footage of the Beatles at the Cavern. At the time they didn't think it was worthy of airing. Beatlemania soon changed that! Yes, the film is very reminiscent of the 1962 Beatles footage of "Some other guy" so you're probably right! >>>There was apparently a promo film made for “Dedicated Follower of Fashion” is early 1966, but it appears to have been lost. No visual performances of this show seem to exist. >>>>The Story of the Kinks has a brief clip of Dedicated consisting of shots of trendy 60's boutiques. Could it be that it was one of those promo films that features little if any footage of the group? The references I've read to the promo that I've read in books seem to suggest they were in it ("ducking in and out of Carnaby street doorways" say one!) but it's possible they are mistaken/misrememebered. The origin of the (varying) compilation of trendiness that accompanies the song on the video comps/documentaries is a puzzle. This Kinks site : kinks.it.rit.edu/ (look under video clips) suggests that it was put together in the 80s. There is also, confusingly, another visual "Dedicated Follower" clip, again not featuring the group. I saw this on the 1995 documentary "I'm not like everybody else" and it feature a man who resembles the Kinks manager at the time, Larry Page, going for fittings in Boutiques, etc, with comical sped-up film of him dressing, etc. >>>Thank Your Lucky Stars (1966) (exists) Sunny Afternoon (performed as a 3-piece!) >>Chris Tarrant at the end of a Pop Quiz showed a clip of the Kinks performing Sunny Afternoon as a 3 piece. (Dave on bass) Is this the same clip? How did this clip survive from Lucky Stars if nearly all of it was wiped? Hmm, sorry about his.. I MAY have misled you here..I was under the impression that is is a recorded fact that there is an extant clip of the Kinks on TYLS ..however checking my only paper resource on the matter, Badman and Rawlings "Empire Made", it mentions only one surviving edition, from May 15th 1966, and makes no mention of the Kinks being on it. But what I do know is that there IS a clip of the Kinks performing "Sunny Afternoon" as a three-piece from this time: I have excerpts of it on a tape. This performance obviously dates from the week or so between Pete Quaife leaving and John Dalton arriving on bass. And what leads me to believe that it is from Thank your Lucky stars is the following excerpt from Ray Davies biography, refering to this period: "The next day, we managed to tape the televison show Thank Your Lucky Stars without Pete. It was all mimed in those days so it didn't really matter that he wasn't there" So it could well survive as an insert. >>Picadilly Palace (april 1967) (does not seem to exist) A Well Respected Man Dandy >>Never seen this footage, but Johnny Rogan mentions it in The Sound and the Fury book about the Kinks, so I would say it exists. Does Johnny mention having viewed the film? It does seem odd that none of the footage seems to have be re-used, if it does exist. >>>I bought a video of the Kinks in the late 80's. In a big sticker on the front it said "contains footage from Shindig and Ready Steady Go". I was a little disappointed to say the least to find a live track from the 70's had been pasted onto the footage. this is strange. Wasit al 70s footage, or a mixture? >>Either the video was lieing by saying it was RSG footage, or it proves that some Kinks RSG footage exists somewhere. I can't decide whether there is RSG footage or whether it's just all from Shindig. The only clip from a Ready Steady Go! Show of the kinks that I've ever seen (on an 80s compilation) was quite clearly pasted into the middle of the show from a Shindig. No Kinks RSG! footgae seems to be a large in the public domain. |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2003 11:08:43 GMT
No one mentioned the 8/6/66 edition of Whole Scene Going that survives featuring The Kinks (and also The Yardbirds). A good one to have a chance to see.
I've also seen a Sunny Afternoon clip of a 3-piece Kinks and so it could well be an insert. The Dedicated Follower promo probably doesn't exist if it features The Kinks themselves (either that or the clip of it may have been the one shot around Carnaby Street etc but did not feature them at all and so we're unaware of it's origins).
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Post by Adam James Smith on Nov 14, 2003 11:26:33 GMT
>>No one mentioned the 8/6/66 edition of Whole Scene Going that survives featuring The Kinks (and also The Yardbirds). A good one to have a chance to see.
Have you see this/have a copy of it? If so, what songs are played (presumably S.A) and is John Dalton in the Band?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Nov 14, 2003 12:45:17 GMT
No, haven't seen it (would love to!) but it's listed in the Kaleidoscope guide as one of three known surviving editions (the first ep was repeated on BBC in the '90s). Ravi Shankar is also in the show.
It's possible this show is in private hands though as Kal include such material in their books. Perhaps Chris Perry can enlighten us further as he posts here sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2003 15:25:33 GMT
That's a great list Adam!
It's good that the Kinks recorded so much TV abroad as the British survival rate is pretty low as usual.
Anyway, in the USA they were also on 'Where the Action Is' around the 65/66 era - according to a web list songs were - Tired of Waiting, All Day All the Night, Who'll Be the Next in Line and You Really Got Me.
There could be some duplication with the Shindig list of songs - the way to tell 'em apart is that Shindig was a studio programme and WTAI was an outdoor VT shoot.
The Kinks were also on the NME Pollwinners Concert tx'd by ABC in 1965 which I think is one of the surviving bits.
Also in the odds 'n' ends dept. Reuters have got about a minutes worth of them on stage in Denmark in '66 and Pathe have got a performance of Wonderboy which they say is from German TV.
Lists are fun aren't they?
(Although no substitute for a solid two hour offical dvd of all this stuff!)
Phil
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Post by Kevin Mulrennan on Nov 17, 2003 8:38:57 GMT
Adam,
drop me an email please.
cheers
Kev
kmulrennan5@hotmail.com
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Post by KevMulrennan on Nov 17, 2003 8:44:28 GMT
Found a bit more info on the net. www.chromeoxide.com/kinks.htmVIDEO SESSION: December 10, 1965 Wembley Television Studio, Ready Steady Go TV (aa) Milk Cow Blues VIDEO SESSION: December 24, 1965 Ready Steady Go! (TV), Wembley Studios, West London, England (pe) VIDEO SESSION: December 31, 1965 Ready Steady Go - The New Year Starts Here! (TV), Wembley Studios, Northwest London, England (pe) VIDEO SESSION: 1966 Ready Steady Go, T.V. Till The End Of The Day Milk Cow Blues Got Love If You Want It |
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Post by Karl Williams on Nov 25, 2003 11:00:55 GMT
Into the Seventies, the Kinks appeared in at least one edition of Supersonic singing two songs; 'No More Looking Back' and a more modern Glam version of 'You Really Got Me'. Not sure which year this was.
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