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Post by trevmds on Oct 17, 2003 7:05:22 GMT
I understand that the Beatles appearance on Thank Your Lucky Stars in Manchester on 15/12/63 still exists.... does anyone know if it survives on 16mm kine or VT?
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Post by Kevin Mulrennan on Oct 17, 2003 7:36:46 GMT
The Beatles appeared in Aston, Birmingham for this appearance, not Manchester.
Someone kindly gave we a VHS copy about a year ago.
I believe, (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), that it was discovered in Australia.
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Post by trevmds on Oct 17, 2003 10:46:39 GMT
Yes... but is it kine or videotape? Please tell me.
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Post by William Martin on Oct 17, 2003 13:16:17 GMT
it will almost certainly be kinescope if it was descovered in Australia then it will be film copy rather than the origional video
NB for all of us limeys kinescope is another name for TeleRecording
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Post by Shaun Brennan on Oct 17, 2003 15:36:16 GMT
Didn't Keith Badman say that the Australian story was bogus, and that the print was discovered in the U.K.?
On the subject of TYLS, anyone know if the Kaleidoscope listing for the show is complete? This would mean that out of a couple of hundred episodes, 3 complete editions survive, plus inserts from another Beatles' appearance. Insert suitably horrified comment about destruction of cultural heritage etc here.
Shaun
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Post by Ian West on Oct 18, 2003 8:38:36 GMT
It looks like a telerecording to me, but the quality on my copy is fairly dire, so I wouldn't want to give a definitive answer. The version I downloaded a while back has a time stamp throughout, so it presumably resides in some official archive somewhere.
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Post by trevmds on Oct 20, 2003 4:20:12 GMT
If you have an extant version with burnt-in timecode on it, then it sounds more like video than a kine (unless of course it's a videotape of a kine of a videotape).
The reason I was asking was that I have "Twist And Shout" from that program, and it's very definitely videotape, the one I have. It was broadcast in 1981 (1st anniversary Lennon death) on TVW 7 Perth, Western Australia. I was wondering if the TV station had sourced it from their own videotape archive, and if perhaps the "Twist And Shout" clip was perhaps embedded within another local TV program that they still held on video.
Any definitive answer on this video-or-VT question would be appreciated.
As an aside, this makes me wonder what the earliest-surviving footage of the Beatles on videotape is? Would it be that swedish music show they apeared on in late 1963?
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Post by Ian West on Oct 20, 2003 12:17:23 GMT
If you have an extant version with burnt-in timecode on it, then it sounds more like video than a kine (unless of course it's a videotape of a kine of a videotape). Well, I'm assuming that the version I have is taken from a VHS "research" copy bought off some archive, and the timecode was burnt on at that stage to prevent re-distribution (which obviously had zero success...), so I don't think you can deduce from this what kind of format their original source is. I only mentioned it really as evidence that it's held by an archive somewhere (rather than a private collector), so if you could find out which one, they might be able to help further. |
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Post by William Martin on Oct 20, 2003 15:55:08 GMT
yes research copies tend to have a time stamp even if they are TR to video tranfers
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 20, 2003 23:20:27 GMT
You mean the 21/12/63 Lucky Stars Summer Spin edition? If so, it exists as a VT copy (not t/r), complete with time clocks. It seems that only a VHS copy is all that is in circulation though (i.e. not broadcast standard) but as this has clearly been sourced from the VT master at some point along the line, then that must be out there too somewhere...
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Post by trevmds on Oct 22, 2003 2:48:53 GMT
Well, I'm assuming that the version I have is taken from a VHS "research" copy bought off some archive, and the timecode was burnt on at that stage to prevent re-distribution (which obviously had zero success...), so I don't think you can deduce from this what kind of format their original source is. Of course, you're right there. I realised this as I was posting my last reply... |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 22, 2003 10:39:05 GMT
Well, my VHS copy of this show is pretty good quality and I can very clearly see from this that it is sourced from a VT master somewhere down the line. If it was from a t/r, then it would have a corresponding film look imposed on it. It doesn't. It's obviously on video.
The show only "officially" exists on VHS; it was discovered by Mark Lewisohn as a pirated copy floating around on the circuit out there and unveiled via Missing Believed Wiped (this is mentioned in Dick Fiddy's book too). The implication being that the VT master is out there in private hands somewhere, as with other things...
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Post by simon wells on Oct 22, 2003 10:45:28 GMT
Can I confirm that the master to the prints floating around DOES come from Australia.
Si
PS: Laurence, can you mail me off-board please at simoncatweazle@aol.com
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Post by William Martin on Oct 22, 2003 15:48:08 GMT
is there a list of these best rumours ie those likley to be true and also a list of those clips (like the one above) that do exist but not officialy.
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Post by trevmds on Oct 23, 2003 11:56:30 GMT
Just to reiterate unnecessarily, the clip of "Twist And Shout" from this show that I got off air here in Perth in 1981 was video and didn't have a timeclock...
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