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Post by Gary Freeman on Oct 6, 2003 15:13:57 GMT
Can anybody tell me what the archive status of this show is.
I know dave clark owns a series of reels, but from what i gather he has rather a limited number and those he has have been shown on tv a number of times.
I do recall seeing a walker bros. clip on german tv years ago that was obvoiusly from the rsg walker bros special so whats the deal there, is there tapes in europe?
also, on the message board there seems to be a running joke about the state of ass.redifussions archive.
i have only just started to take an interest in archive t.v so maybe someone can let me in on the joke.
sincere thanks for your help!
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Post by john g on Oct 6, 2003 19:39:08 GMT
Gary the running joke about the Rediffusion Archive is the fact that there isnt any!. It is the number 1 in the top ten of depleted television archives.
You will occasionally see a Rediffusion programme on a nostalga clip show, but this is not from a master recording, this is usually from complimentary 16mm film/VTR given to someone who worked on that particular show and therefore kept safely in private hands. Other finds are usually from foreign TV stations who bought their own copies. The master recordings have all gone...somewhere.
The National Film and TV archive have a few odds and ends but reputedly no complete series of anything.
I am not sure if Dave Calrk bought the copyright to RSG before he found the shows or after?
The 16mm RSGs were believed to have been found in a basement cupboard of the Kingsway studios long after they were taken over by the Tax Office. who are still there to this day i believe. Certainly not complete but there is a good bulk of shows including the Otis Reading special and the Motown65 special.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 7, 2003 14:29:49 GMT
It's all a bit vague as to exactly how many complete RSG editions survive complete. There are at least three plus a couple of specials (possibly about six regular shows if you go by other sources of information). In addition there are numerous clips and / or incomplete editions. Most of the surviving stuff has likely been cannibalised into those awful compliations that were screened several times by Ch.4 in the '80s / '90s. They give no real feel for how the original shows ran and have been sandwiched by a ragbag of other pop material from elsewhere.
Dave Clark has never been very forthcoming about exactly what survives although the Walker Brothers clip mentioned comes from europe, where other clips possibly reside.
As far as surviving Rediffusion material goes generally, what exists from RSG looks pretty impressive! Most of their key comedy / drama etc shows (if they exist AT ALL) are represented by a single or couple of episodes. The most well represented series are 'This Week' (current affairs) and things like 'Half Hour Story' (a random sampling of episodes), 'A Man Of Our Times'. and (a more recent recovery - wish there were MORE finds like this!)) several 'At Last The 1948 Show'.
There must be more out there somewhere; exactly where though is the question. Not good considering they were the first ITV company on air and for 13 years a broadcaster to the UK's capital!
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 7, 2003 14:32:50 GMT
As a footnote to the above, the only existing COMPLETE Rediffusion series I can think of is 'The Life And Times Of Lord Mountbatten' - although this was ready to screened in 1968, was only actually aired just after Thames took over the franchise.
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Post by gary freeman on Oct 7, 2003 14:45:31 GMT
is it not possible that when abc and redifussion merged as thames, the tape archive was kept by thames?.I saw a pretty clean vtr clip of no hidding place on tv recently, with a young johnny briggs (mike baldwin).
i must agree with you , i lived in the granada region,but always looked on ass. rediffussion as itv's flagship.its my guess that someone in the london area is sitting on a lot of vt, or maybe it was a take what you want free for all when the station ceased transmission.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 8, 2003 12:15:29 GMT
I've never heard of any VT of No Hiding Place before now. Anybody else seen / know anything about this? We need a few more sightings to confirm / deny...
Yes, Thames did retain some ABC and Rediffusion material for rescreenings etc - how much though has never been clarified. This has all been debated many times before, Gary, but as you're new to this site it's worth repeating.
No Hiding Place VT anybody?
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Post by john g on Oct 8, 2003 14:07:34 GMT
just thinking.. 2inch VT was about £750 per hour mid sixties so if you had 200 od episodes of no hiding place
you could have retired if you knew how to resell them as reuseable tape.. and maybe this was the fate of some of these programmes?
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Post by gary freeman on Oct 8, 2003 14:32:29 GMT
hope ive not put my rookie foot in it here, but im about 95% certain that the clip shown on the johnny biggs story was video tape rather than film.
on the topic of video tape being very expensive and thames taking over the abc and rediffussion archive. it would not have taken a genius to use old archieve tape from abc and redi. to record thames programmes on . what a great way to reduce costs,especially if you are a new company with budget restraints etc.(what do i know! i could be talking bulldust here!)
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Post by William Martin on Oct 8, 2003 15:41:00 GMT
Can anybody tell me what the archive status of this show is. I know dave clark owns a series of reels, but from what i gather he has rather a limited number and those he has have been shown on tv a number of times. I do recall seeing a walker bros. clip on german tv years ago that was obvoiusly from the rsg walker bros special so whats the deal there, is there tapes in europe? also, on the message board there seems to be a running joke about the state of ass.redifussions archive. i have only just started to take an interest in archive t.v so maybe someone can let me in on the joke. sincere thanks for your help! RSG did some swaps with the USA show "shindig" so perhaps they have some material, something that the American forum members can help with also does anybody know the status of the Canadian CBC pop show "Where its at" is? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2003 12:33:47 GMT
I thought that the RSG / Shindig swapping material had been disproved. There's a good list of what was transmitted on Shindig on the TV Tome site. I saw a complete Shindig recently at the TV & Radio museum in New York - great episode with the Byrds in the studio and the Rolling Stones at number one with Satisfaction - a dvd release of these shows would be fantastic!
Shindig used to send crews over to shoot material in London much the same as the US 'Where the Action Is' did.
Phil
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Post by GARY FREEMAN on Oct 13, 2003 16:27:16 GMT
Phil, you are 100% correct in your comments regarding shindig and rsg, nothing from rsg was ever shown on there.
i think the situation was very different in europe , i think several clips were shown on german and maybe scandinavian tv.
im not sure regarding shindig on dvd , i know a lot of compilations came out on video in the states vols 1,2,3 etc biu dont know about the dvd!.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 14, 2003 8:47:27 GMT
RSG clips were used in Germany at the very least (wonder how often?); a Walker Brothers performance as used there survives, which at least proves the point.
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Post by William Martin on Oct 14, 2003 15:55:44 GMT
another myth busted, but what of "where its at" which I thought was Canadian CBC but perhaps my info is wrong, do we have any Canadians on this forum?
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