Has anyone else noticed that the Pickettywitch performance of (It's Like A) Sad Old Kinda Movie, one of the 2 surviving performances from the otherwise wiped 9th July 1970 edition is on TOTP2 next Wednesday?
A rare colour clip from 1970 - very welcome. I seem to remember that there are a few others not shown still held by the Beeb e.g. Blodwyn Pig "Same Old Story" and the elusive Kinks "Apeman" spring to mind. Can anyone remember the others?
Post by Laurence Piper on Jul 6, 2003 11:32:18 GMT
I've got the "Digging..." programme myself. I do know that those PP clips used in the programme were all sourced from outside the BBC archives! Where exactly I don't know. Presumably all the clips exist complete somewhere.
Pan's People clips used on the documentary for which their are no full shows are: (I think)
Bobby Bloom - Montego bay, Chairmen of the board - Everythings Tuesday, CCS - Tap turns on the water (O/B film), O'Jays - Backstabbers, Fifth Dimention - Wedding bell blues (Glitchy, included on repeat last year), Bread - Make it with you (Glitchy), Micheal Jackson - Ain't no sunshine (Tape glitch on lights/sequins).
Either these were overdubbed mute segments or, according to the sorely missed TOTP lineups in Record Collector & writer Keith Badman, in a piece about the first colour show, very small clips of some of the performances are in the archive. Who knows the PP clips may been sourced this way?
I do know that those PP clips used in the programme were all sourced from outside the BBC archives! Where exactly I don't know. Presumably all the clips exist complete somewhere.
I hope so!! If that is the case, there's more likely stuff held other than PP performances.
Here's my breakdown of the TOTP clips from the original broadcast which I have cross-referenced with the database:
Martha & The Vandellas - Jimmy Mack (10/9/70)
Mary Hopkin - Temma Harbour (26/2/70 held by BBC)
Jackson Five - I Want You Back (5/3/70)
Chairman Of The Board - Everything's Tuesday (25/2/71 held by BBC)
Three Dog Night - Joy To The World (17/6/71 held by BBC)
O'Jays - Backstabbers (28/9/72 or 5/10/72)
CCS - Tap Turns On The Water (25/12/71 or could be 9/9/71 or 16/9/71 which are both listed as "Disc" in database)
Bobby Bloom - Montego Bay (17/9/70 or 1/10/70)
Bread - Make It With You (3/9/70)
Supremes & Four Tops - River Deep Mountain High (1/7/71 held by BBC)
Michael Jackson - Ain't No Sunshine (14/9/72)
Nilsson - Without You (28/12/72 held by BBC)
Bobby Pickett & The Crypt Kickers - Monster Mash (27/9/73 held by BBC)
Gilbert O'Sullivan - Get Down (25/12/73 held by BBC)
Carly Simon - You're So Vain (1/2/73 held by BBC)
Ike & Tina Turner - Nutbush City Limits (20/9/73)
Chi-Lites - Homely Girl (11/4/74 held by BBC)
Mary Hopkin and Carly Simon clips on B/W film, format as held by BBC
Ike & Tina performance also listed as "Disc" on 27/9/73 and 11/10/73 . However, Neil previously provided a running order for these shows which did not mention this track. It seems unlikely that PP did 2 routines in these shows unless anyone knows differently!!
The 11/10/73 'Nutbush City Limits' is the end credits playout, with shots of the audience dancing behind it.
This is the unedited Kenny Everett edition, and there are actually two takes of the end credits - on the first one there was a fault with the circular mirror effect round the camera lens, so they re-did the whole show from Simon Park doing 'Eye Level' (the number one single) onwards. It's quite amusing, actually, seeing the technicians fiddling with the mirror and Simon Park getting down to Ike and Tina!
And yes, I'm pretty sure it is the same Jonathan Wood - he's something of a Pan's People fan, I believe.
Thanks for the info Simon - its nice to get such detailed information on unedited recordings - it makes for interesting reading.
Based on what you have seen on the unedited 11/10/73 tape, do you think it would it be possible to edit it together to remake the transmitted version? I mean they did it for the 25/12/73 edition (which also exists as an unedited recording) when it was repeated back in the early 1990s.
Are things like chart rundowns and end credits also on these tapes or were these added post-production?
Yes, it would be possible to reconstruct the 11/10/73 edition, though as in some cases Kenny Everett's links are done twice (and are completely different, being ad-libbed) it's difficult to know which ones were actually used.
The chart rundowns and end credits are all present - as I said, in this particular edition they're there twice!
Plus at the end of the tape there's an interview with Kenny done for another programme (which appears to be called 'Search : Pop'), which I've mentioned in another thread.
The unedited 20/10/77 also survives (and at the end of that tape there are three takes of a Showaddywaddy insert and the title sequence tests for 'An Evening With Glen Campbell'!!) - I wonder if there are any more out there? And are there any more interesting curios on the ends of the tapes?
Dear Mark. There is also the colour copy of `audience/"Mary Hopkin"" "Temma Harbour" clip; Plus Free's "All Right Now" is from there. Mark even though Mr Andrew Martin at B.B.C archives insists ALL these clips survive; the T.OTP2 office says they can't find them! Also; I din't know if you noticed in all nine years of T.O.T.P2 NEVER has a clip been used from the 25th Feb 1970 episode (Pickettywitch's "Same old feeling" in B/W on that show) Hope thats of some help. Chartman.
Post by Mark Kerridge on Jul 12, 2003 17:57:03 GMT
Thanks for the additional info. It's amazing that whilst there are more than a few individual colour clips from early 1970 editions, particularly 29/1/70, there are apparently no full colour editions!!
Methinks that someone at the TOTP2 Office needs to get in touch with Andrew Martin to find out what else is available, as we would very much like to see this stuff on the programme. It's no good for anyone (especially us) if the current situation continues, as the same performances will get wheeled out again and again.
As far as the 25/2/70 edition goes, I also cannot recall ever seeing a clip from that edition on TOTP2, which is surprising as we do see stuff from 29/1/70 and 5/2/70 from time to time, usually Edison Lighthouse but occasionally other stuff. However, there is still a lot from these shows that still hasn't yet been shown...
Turning to Pickettywitch and "Same Old Feeling" from 25/2/70 , although AFAIK its not been shown on TOTP2, this particular performance is present on the 1989 Telstar Video release "25 Years of TOTP Vol2".