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Post by Paul Gethin on Jan 28, 2008 20:37:10 GMT
'The Case', co-starring Tim Brooke-Taylor, 8.15- 9.15pm, Saturday 2 September 1972.
(Most of the BBC1 schedule was given over to the Munich Olympics on that particular day.)
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Post by Andy Howells on Jan 28, 2008 23:11:48 GMT
Watched the biography channel on Sunday and they did a programme on Olivia Newton John, it featured a clip from Cliff's series of them performing All I Have To Do Is Dream, curiously the clip was in black and white, I say curious because theres a clip of them performing the same song on YouTube in colour...
Not sure, whats missing or available as far as these shows are concerned but wondered if maybe black and white versions were sold abroad at all, considering Cliff's huge popularity in other countries, apologies if its all been discussed elsewhere already...
And I'm suspecting this biography channel programme was maybe made in another country, tho' could be wrong...
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Post by Paul Rumbol on Jan 29, 2008 7:47:08 GMT
'All I Have To Do Is Dream' is taken from the last show of Cliff's 6 part 1974 series for the BBC broadcast 28th September that year. All six 45minute colour shows survive - the only of Cliff's series to do so. Olivia also duets with Cliff on 'Proud Mary' on that show and gives a solo performance of 'I Honestly Love You'.
Andy it does seem curious that none of the 1970, 1971 and 1972 series (39 shows in total) didnt sell abroad - but it certainly unfortunately looks that way.
Other established artistes like Lulu, Cilla Val Doonican and Rolf Harris also had tenure of the Saturday evening tea-time slot in the early seventies - and very few of their BBC series survive also. I'm led to believe the sticky issue of performance clearance fees became such a legal and financial minefield for the BBC that the costs of repeating any of them became prohibitive. In fact from memory, very few, if any of these music-variety shows were ever repeated again. With that situation you can see why the BBC were only too quick to wipe the Quad tapes on which they were recorded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 21:08:54 GMT
All olivias parts from the 1970 christmas special and 71 series and 72 series are all gone.with the 1974 show surviving.
what remain is the 2 specials of Geteway with cliff and the case.
geteway - features her and cliff Sining Dont move away, and her solo doing Love song. she is seen on when im 64 and my sweet lord .
the case features the Duet of just to be close to you, as well as banks of the ohio and A little too much.
The 1974 episode has duets of all i have to do is dream and leaving it upto you,as well as olivias solo of Honestly love you then the cast singng proud mary.
while i have personally managed to scour for lots of old Olivia footage from that time period and earlier, the cliff stuff other than what i mentioned is on the lost forever list from that 1970- 1972 era but the audios of that series shows us just how much cool stuff we have lost.
peter
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andy are you by any chance living in Australia as the bio was on here the other day
that show was made in the usa the honestley love you clip should be indeed in colour as my coppy from the bbc is colour
i think they also did that to another clip too made it b/w
there seems to be something wrong with the picture too on that clip .doing the bio on the cheap maybe managed to have something to do with that.
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Post by Andy Howells on Jan 30, 2008 22:51:50 GMT
No OZ - I'm from the UK, biography were showing the documentary over here too.
I did wonder if they had made the clip black and white, seeing as there was a lack of stuff from her early years - but I had also secretly hoped they had maybe lifted it from a series sold overseas in black and white (which was common practice with some shows like Dad's Army and Doctor Who) in the early 70's...
It would be cool to see more of the Cliff series, I do have lots of memories watching it as a child and would love to see some again...
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Post by Trevor Adair on Feb 12, 2008 23:22:17 GMT
Hi John,
I have copies of the Eurovision Song Contest Previews 1971 and 1972, which features Clodagh Rodgers performing "Jack in the box" and The New Seekers with, "Beg, steal or borrow" both in colour. I believe, the clips are from the "It's Cliff" series for those years. The previews are from German TV. Did you know about these recordings ?
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Post by johnstewart on Feb 17, 2008 21:00:56 GMT
No I didn't - where did these come from?
P.S. I could always also correspond on the u2u personal facility here.
Thanks again.
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Post by Paul Rumbol on Mar 7, 2008 5:47:42 GMT
Hi Trevora i would be interested in the 2 Eurovision preview clips. How do i get access to your e mail?
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Post by eric lawton on Mar 7, 2008 8:49:17 GMT
Other established artistes like Lulu, Cilla Val Doonican and Rolf Harris also had tenure of the Saturday evening tea-time slot in the early seventies - and very few of their BBC series survive also.
Saturday teatimes were great as a kid in the late 60s / early 70s. Ive strived to get hold of material from that special time. All Ive managed to get hold of is a copy of Rolf on Saturday from around 77/78 I believe. Also, on the subject of the Eurovision Song contest, I have a copy of the Song for Europe 1974 show, which shows the songs that Olivia Newton John sung. ( Of course, LONG LIVE LOVE was chosen ) Jimmy Savile presents the show. I bought off EBAY the complete EUROVISION SONG CONTESTS from 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 and 1976. The commentary is in German, but all the songs and voting are on. I wanted to increase my collection of these shows but cant find them on EBAY now. They were ridiculously cheap, 99p I think. The ABBA performance from 74 is the only time I ever remember watching a song on the show and thinking "Well, thats it". Brilliant !!
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Post by eric lawton on Mar 7, 2008 13:57:38 GMT
Ive got 3 volumes of the TOM JONES shows, but I was under the impression they were available commercially. Got hold of some CILLA shows from around 68/69, again, dont know if theyre available. Damn good quality if theyre not. Got a show I havent watched completely yet that appears to be a Lulu show with Les Dawson on ( or, on reflection, it could be the other way round, must watch it through ) Enjoyed the Dusty shows but would have liked to have seen the Guest stars singing duets etc with the Great Lady.
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Post by David Barron on May 12, 2008 20:47:03 GMT
My guess, and I guess it is probably the guess of everyone else is that the performers themselves have all the shows in their archives and are not giving them back because they are not going to make the money they should from DVD reissues and re-showings because of the BBC's instransigence over material that they wiped in the first place. Wait until much later in the next decade and the decade after that and they will start appearing on DVD or its equivalent in many years time. I would guess that Cliff Richard
Regarding the series This Is Tom Jones, the rights to those shows belong to the man himself, it must have been an agreement where rights revert to him after I would guess thirty years.
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Post by Simon Mclean on May 12, 2008 21:21:46 GMT
I have a copy of the Song for Europe 1974 show, which shows the songs that Olivia Newton John sung. ( Of course, LONG LIVE LOVE was chosen ) Jimmy Savile presents the show. The 1974 Song For Europe contenders were showcased on 'Clunk Click', a rather odd Jimmy Savile chat show which was basically Jim'll Fix It without the fix-its - did they do a show where they rounded up all the entries as well? The This Is Tom Jones DVDs are pretty good, but many of the episodes on there appear to be heavily edited - one on vol 1 only runs for about 20 minutes! |
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Post by Paul Rumbol on May 12, 2008 21:48:11 GMT
David i think thats wishful thinking. Ive spoken to the Cliff Richard Organization and other people close to Cliff and he certainly doesnt have any of this material. Likewise other BBC regulars from the early 70''s like Lulu, Rolf Harris, Cilla Black etc probably have nothing either. The autonomous BBC foolishly decided on a mass wiping policy -keeping only token episodes of these variety shows. Indeed it came as a shock to many of the stars when they discovered, decades later, that all their tv work had been wiped. I for one am very sad about that. The BBC wiped all 3 series of 'It's Cliff Richard'(40 shows) keeping only one token copy from the 1970 season. There is however one other surviving clip from Cliff's 1971 series . This features Clodagh Rodgers singing Jack in the Box, lifted from the series as a Eurovision preview tape for broadcast abroad. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd9Um6BpiTs |
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Post by David Barron on May 13, 2008 17:52:26 GMT
Probably yes, probably no. Would any entertainer and his companies want to admit they have their own archives, and in them is material that both the BBC and ITV wiped, knowing that if they admitted they had stuff, they would get the legal departments from the above companies (depending on who owns them) forcing them to give it back. My guess, and again it is just a guess they are probably quietly waiting for the programmes to go out of copyright and then release them, when they can gain the rights for themselves.
It is rumoured (or is it known) that one very famous entertainer has almost a complete archive of his programmes, and is slowly waiting for the programmes to go out of copyright so that they are released by the entertainer's own companies.
It is possibly wishful thinking, but it is nice to hope that it may exist, this site is about hope, speculation and expectation of the hope of lost TV being found.
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