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Post by Peter Bradford on Dec 27, 2007 23:07:50 GMT
Am I correct in thinking that, Avengers aside, this was the only colour ABC show? Lucy In London Well Kev 'Journey of a Lifetime' may have been the first ? and 'Frontier' may have been the last?. However the boss of ABC apparently liked SECAM (French system) and had his engineers messing about with that for sometime. So there might be some SECAM stuff knocking about? Adopting SECAM would have meant a more expensive set, plus it produced peculiarities on captions..and that is why we have the SCART plug ,as the French needed the extra wires to connect something to stop captions fizzing when connecting a VCR etc .....or something like that anyway  ,, Secam is truly a beautiful analogue system for recording on a colour VT machine (Quad) and for transmission purposes to the home - much 'better' than either PAL or NTSC. Unfortunately, it is pretty much useless in the actual studio production environment. You cannot mix or wipe between different sources due to the inherent nature of the Secam signal. Many French production facilities actually produced their material in PAL studios and transcoded it to Secam for recording (or live) subsequent transmission. I'm afraid I don't understand fully your remarks about Secam and the Scart plug so I am unable to add anything useful. I suspect it is incidental to nub of your posting anyhow. Scart is a french 'term' - Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs. SCART is a French trick and is so flimsy it should have been banned form the outset! |
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Post by Simon Winters on Dec 28, 2007 10:25:19 GMT
Mountbatten was also released in the USA, on VHS in the 1980s as a box set. I think I may have seen it over here in HMV many years ago as well. Wasn't it also shown on Channel 4?
I recently bought the box set on Ebay. Sadly, no Rediffusion idents on this colour series, but if does say 'Rediffusion Films production' on the end titles.
I also noticed that Rediffusion Films made 'The Irish RM' in association with UTV in the early eighties. Does anyone know if they produced anything else or when they ceased?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 10:27:12 GMT
I remember watching this at the time and being intrigued that it was a series totally made by Rediffusion but screened by Thames (unique, I think). I can´t recall if the colour ident is actually tagged onto the beginning / end of the prints though. Be good if so!
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Post by Simon Winters on Dec 28, 2007 17:12:04 GMT
Just remembered...... Associated-Rediffusion made at least one documentary on colour film, as I have it on DVD. It is called 'Television in Schools' and was made in the early sixties to advertise the station's schools tv output.
The ARTV static ident at the end, superimposed over the film, is yellow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2007 11:01:17 GMT
Very interesting, Simon. Wasn´t this a non-tx film used for demo / pr purposes? I wouldn´t mind seeing this item and a similar one on TV for children (which contains clips from otherwise missing shows). I suspect the usual logo was used with a bit of colour keyed over though, rather than it being the proper colour ident. ATV did similar thing with their ´66 Palladium Show editions made on 525 line.
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Post by hartley967 on Dec 29, 2007 13:37:42 GMT
Further on 'The Informer'
it may indeed survive as a colour telerecording (I thought it was bit early for them).
Just remembered the surviving bit of the Half Hour Story:George's Room is a colour telerecording
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Post by Simon Winters on Dec 29, 2007 15:59:35 GMT
The 'Television in Schools' film may well have been used as a promo film in colleges etc, but the copy was found in an ITV regional archive, so it must have been transmitted in b/w on some ITV local stations as well.
The colour ARTV ident is just a plain yellow ident superimposed on the picture after the credits roll up.
One interesting thing about it is that it contains colour film of Redvers Kyle sitting at a desk in a Rediffusion studio. Could be an announcers chair, but I don't think ARTV had invision continuity. (?).
I have just donated a copy of it to Chris Perry, so hopefully everyone can get a chance to watch it at a future Kalaidoscope event. I've also checked with the BFI and they hold a duplicate print of it, so it is not missing.
On a similar theme, a documentary about the history of dance last night on BBC4 featured a very long colour clip of the 'Ready, Steady Go!' studio in action. The RSG studio walls were completely plastered with various bits of colour artwork featuring the Rediffusion symbol. Talk about ARTV self-publicity! As it was BBC4, it should get several repeats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2007 19:25:41 GMT
The 'Television in Schools' film may well have been used as a promo film in colleges etc, but the copy was found in an ITV regional archive, so it must have been transmitted in b/w on some ITV local stations as well. The colour ARTV ident is just a plain yellow ident superimposed on the picture after the credits roll up. One interesting thing about it is that it contains colour film of Redvers Kyle sitting at a desk in a Rediffusion studio. Could be an announcers chair, but I don't think ARTV had invision continuity. (?). I have just donated a copy of it to Chris Perry, so hopefully everyone can get a chance to watch it at a future Kalaidoscope event. I've also checked with the BFI and they hold a duplicate print of it, so it is not missing. On a similar theme, a documentary about the history of dance last night on BBC4 featured a very long colour clip of the 'Ready, Steady Go!' studio in action. The RSG studio walls were completely plastered with various bits of colour artwork featuring the Rediffusion symbol. Talk about ARTV self-publicity! As it was BBC4, it should get several repeats. Rediffusion did have frequent in vision continuity although i´m not sure about the earlier A-R era, not recalling it myself very well (I remember Redvers Kyle and Jon Kelley in vision during the 1964-68 period very well). |
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Post by Robert Manners on Jan 2, 2008 13:58:22 GMT
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I think the earliest BBC colour VT still existing is the men's final from Wimbledon 1967. There are a couple of others from 1967, including episode 3 of "Vanity Fair" (all 5 episodes exist in colour but 1-2 and 4-5 are edited NTSC, ep.3 is the original version with outtakes on the end! The last 10 minutes of ep.1 also exist in PAL on the end of a Blue Peter tape). There are a few from 1968 and 1969 as well, though of course mostly BBC2 (though the 1968 Sherlock Holmes series was shown on BBC1 in b/w, it was made in colour and 6 episodes survive).[/quote]
<Though the 1968 Sherlock Holmes series was shown on BBC1 in b/w, it was made in colour and 6 episodes survive>
I always thought this series was made in colour because it was shown on BBC2, however when I next visited the National Media Museum at BBC Bradford I was going to take a look at the VT clocks in front of the episodes to see if the project numbers contained a 4 or a 5 on the third digit to check on this as I have heard others talking about them been shown on BBC1 too! I remember reading that the surviving episode ‘The Boscome Valley Mystery’ appears to be the reason that the unfinished edit of the ‘Dancing Men’ ended up being broadcast on the 24.07.1968 as the producer was busy supervising both the tape editing of ‘Dancing Men’ and the studio recording of ‘The Boscome Valley Mystery’ on the same day. This must mean that the broadcast version of ‘Dancing Men’ thats now 'Missing Believed wipped' never got transmitted in the same way ‘Counterstrike’ episode 5 never got screened in the UK.
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Post by Craig Halliday on Jan 2, 2008 15:53:04 GMT
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Post by johnstewart on Jan 3, 2008 21:38:11 GMT
Other hedl early colour VT - THIRTY MINUTE THEATRE. of the small sample held; two 'the fanatics' c. 68 (T/R of VT) and 'newsbenders' are held in colour.
Also the titles of 'LATE NIGHT HORROR' though sadly the VT is lost.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 10:22:08 GMT
Other early colour VT includes a highlights compilation of Wimbledon ´67 (tx´d at the end of the first week of colour in July 1967) some early part-editions of Once More With Felix episodes from December), part of a Chronicle edition from about September / October) and some ´68 editions of things like Show Of The Week and Play School. A pity all the surviving Late Night Line Ups from that time are b/w t/rs as this was the very first show to go out in colour (April ´67, prior to the official opening in July). At least they exist though, I suppose. Maybe one day the colour sub-carrier signal (if present on the recordings) can be decoded!
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Post by Simon Winters on Jan 7, 2008 12:55:39 GMT
ESPN are showing another 1967 colour BBC2 o/b this wednesday at 4.45pm, repeated later in the evening.
It's billed on the Sky Guide as the first colour UK tv sport recording.
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Post by john mcintyre on Jan 9, 2008 21:32:59 GMT
high i wonder if anyone can help me remember some early colour tv trailer films from the 60s i think one was an italian with a guy stopping at a garage in a sports car and dancing with a little girl while he got petrol i think they were test films for colour tv about 1967 would love to see them again
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Post by A.Doe on Jan 11, 2008 14:06:26 GMT
high i wonder if anyone can help me remember some early colour tv trailer films from the 60s i think one was an italian with a guy stopping at a garage in a sports car and dancing with a little girl while he got petrol i think they were test films for colour tv about 1967 would love to see them again Look up 'Trade Test Films' in Google  |
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