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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2007 11:41:24 GMT
Copies of some of those plays (e.g. Star Performance) made in colour reside with NFTVA, although these may possibly be b/w t/r versions. I think the colour versions will all reside in the US, being shot on 525 line VT as intended for that market.
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Post by Simon Winters on Dec 25, 2007 22:19:42 GMT
The ABC colour ident on Quatermass is definately an original one. ABC produced a wide range of publicity material like matchcovers and matchboxes in 1967 with the same colour triangle ident.
It would certainly have been their ident if they had survived into 1969.
I wonder if it survives on any of the colour programmes they made. It wasn't on the 1967 colour Avengers - these originally had the b/w triangle version on them, as broadcast by Channel 4 in 1982/83.
The 'Human Voice' DVD dosen't seem to be a 'US edit', as the end credits roll up slowly in the British style of the day. It does say 'Rediffusion Television Production' on the end credits, as does the colour film from the same series, 'Dare I Weep...'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2007 10:29:02 GMT
The ABC colour ident on Quatermass is definately an original one. ABC produced a wide range of publicity material like matchcovers and matchboxes in 1967 with the same colour triangle ident. It would certainly have been their ident if they had survived into 1969. I wonder if it survives on any of the colour programmes they made. It wasn't on the 1967 colour Avengers - these originally had the b/w triangle version on them, as broadcast by Channel 4 in 1982/83. The 'Human Voice' DVD dosen't seem to be a 'US edit', as the end credits roll up slowly in the British style of the day. It does say 'Rediffusion Television Production' on the end credits, as does the colour film from the same series, 'Dare I Weep...' I think I was told by someone at the BFI some time back that the UK versions of those Rediffusion plays may have certain differences to them for possible copyright reasons. I seem to think that was the case anyway. Unless you were to put both versions side by side though, it would be hard to say. The credits are pretty "generalised" though, crediting both Rediffusion and US producers. As a side topic to the above though, I understand that The Informer was made in colour. Not having seen the two surviving episodes myself, I can´t say if they included the colour Rediffusion ident on them. Can anyone say? I´d have thought though that UK-screened versions would have had the normal ident on them with the colour version only on copies intended for overseas colour territories. As far as the ABC colour ident is concerned though, it would only have likely appeared on a VT production (film series like The Avengers didn´t have the ident as part of the print in the later Thorson period, although I definitely recall they did at least as late as the b/w Rigg episodes at both beginning and end of the episodes and - I think - the colour Riggs too). I can only think of one ABC VT series made in colour with material still surviving and that is Frontier (although screened by early Thames) although the existing recordings are only b/w t/r. So I doubt anything would have the ABC colour ident surviving on it (in colour, at least). I´d love to be proved wrong though! |
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Post by Peter Bradford on Dec 26, 2007 19:26:55 GMT
I thought the Thorson episodes were filmed after ABC 'lost' it's franchise and therefore carry the ABC colour production idents on the end as part of the original 35mm print? (some I think may have the ABPC ident on the end?)
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Post by hartley967 on Dec 26, 2007 21:36:03 GMT
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [glow=red,2,300]Posted by red16v on Today at 7:26pm[/glow]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I thought the Thorson episodes were filmed after ABC 'lost' it's franchise and therefore carry the ABC colour production idents on the end as part of the original 35mm print? (some I think may have the ABPC ident on the end?) I think these spelled out credits were just basically saying "look! this is nothing to do with American ABC" but of course to confuse things further the American versions had after the UK ABC ident another ident with 'an ABC presentation' US version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [glow=red,2,300]Posted by Laurence Piper on Today at 10:29am [/glow]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Imformer was a VTR series, yet the BFI reckon they have a couple of colour negatives surviving . Some of the recording dates certainly tie in when AR was making a lot of colour programmes. but does not explain colour telerecordings. .. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 12:06:29 GMT
The Imformer was a VTR series, yet the BFI reckon they have a couple of colour negatives surviving . Some of the recording dates certainly tie in when AR was making a lot of colour programmes. but does not explain colour telerecordings. .. No, you´re right. It doesn´t. Those episodes are clearly logged as being in colour though, making them an existing anomaly. Presumably the whole of both series were made in colour. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 12:16:58 GMT
I thought the Thorson episodes were filmed after ABC 'lost' it's franchise and therefore carry the ABC colour production idents on the end as part of the original 35mm print? (some I think may have the ABPC ident on the end?) By the time of the Thorson episodes, The Avengers was in effect being made by an independent production company for ABC´s parent company. The ABC which is seen as part of the prints at the end of the episodes is really advertising ABC´s parent company (and also to differentiate it from the US ABC company, where it was being seen too). The Thorson episodes were actually being made before ABC lost their franchise though (from around late 1967 onwards) and that ident you see isn´t the ABC ident of the ITV contractor as such. I recall myself that when the Thorson episodes were first shown in the London area (around late ´68 / early ´69), Thames vision mixed from the Associated British Corporation ABC logo to a "still" of the basic "From Thames" ident (replaced on the later episodes by the Thames skyline mk.1 "goldfish bowl" version). As I said earlier, the ABC (ITV contractor) ident / jingle was still present at the start and endcap at the end of The Avengers episodes during the Rigg era, although these bits seem to have been excised from repeats since the early ´80s on C4. C4 did still show the endcap only for a few years and then even that was taken out by the late ´90s screenings. There is probably a thread elsewhere on here about it all as it´s been discussed previously. |
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Post by Simon Winters on Dec 27, 2007 14:10:47 GMT
Another early ITV colour recording is the opening night of YTV in July 1968. Although transmitted in b/w, the ceremony was recorded on colour videotape.
Interestingly, Rediffusion was still transmitting on the same day and took a live sport programme from YTV - the only time the YTV ident appeared on Rediffusion.
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Post by hartley967 on Dec 27, 2007 21:05:07 GMT
The Imformer was a VTR series, yet the BFI reckon they have a couple of colour negatives surviving . Some of the recording dates certainly tie in when AR was making a lot of colour programmes. but does not explain colour telerecordings. .. No, you´re right. It doesn´t. Those episodes are clearly logged as being in colour though, making them an existing anomaly. Presumably the whole of both series were made in colour. stop press The recording dates appear to be two weeks apart which may indicate it was a film series after all? A VTR series is usually a week apart (or less) isnt it for a 60 min show? I wish they would just show the dam thing somewhere.Then we would know. . |
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Post by Peter Bradford on Dec 27, 2007 21:21:43 GMT
I thought the Thorson episodes were filmed after ABC 'lost' it's franchise and therefore carry the ABC colour production idents on the end as part of the original 35mm print? (some I think may have the ABPC ident on the end?) By the time of the Thorson episodes, The Avengers was in effect being made by an independent production company for ABC´s parent company. The ABC which is seen as part of the prints at the end of the episodes is really advertising ABC´s parent company (and also to differentiate it from the US ABC company, where it was being seen too). The Thorson episodes were actually being made before ABC lost their franchise though (from around late 1967 onwards) and that ident you see isn´t the ABC ident of the ITV contractor as such. I recall myself that when the Thorson episodes were first shown in the London area (around late ´68 / early ´69), Thames vision mixed from the Associated British Corporation ABC logo to a "still" of the basic "From Thames" ident (replaced on the later episodes by the Thames skyline mk.1 "goldfish bowl" version). . As I said earlier, the ABC (ITV contractor) ident / jingle was still present at the start and endcap at the end of The Avengers episodes during the Rigg era, although these bits seem to have been excised from repeats since the early ´80s on C4. C4 did still show the endcap only for a few years and then even that was taken out by the late ´90s screenings. There is probably a thread elsewhere on here about it all as it´s been discussed previously. All that you say makes sense. When these were transmitted all the local ITV contractors would have mixed off to their own local presentation slide. There was a reason for this - all 3rd party progs (and ABC would have been a 3rd party supplier by the time of the Thorson episodes) had to be legally 'complied', ie viewed in advance for content and suitability for the tx slot. Generally this was actually performed once only by the ITCA on each company's behalf - to obviously save time and 'energy', but, each individual TV company was still legally responsible for the content in their own region - hence why they all 'put up' their own 'an XYZ presentation slide' rather than nothing. So, there was a reason for this practice and not just the ITV company's trying to obliterate ABC's (parent company) ident! Naturally when ABC itself was the producer/franchise holder it was not a 3rd party supplier and so the ABC production end ident would have been appropriate. |
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Post by Peter Bradford on Dec 27, 2007 21:26:26 GMT
Another early ITV colour recording is the opening night of YTV in July 1968. Although transmitted in b/w, the ceremony was recorded on colour videotape. Interestingly, Rediffusion was still transmitting on the same day and took a live sport programme from YTV - the only time the YTV ident appeared on Rediffusion. Interesting. YTV, as I'm sure you know, was built for colour TV production right from the off. Did you know that the YTV building was designed by the same architects/builders as used for the Southern TV centre built at the same time? (So I'm told) If you are lucky enough to have visited both centres the internal production similarities are obvious. |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Dec 27, 2007 22:02:20 GMT
The ABC colour ident on Quatermass is definately an original one. ABC produced a wide range of publicity material like matchcovers and matchboxes in 1967 with the same colour triangle ident. It would certainly have been their ident if they had survived into 1969. I wonder if it survives on any of the colour programmes they made. It wasn't on the 1967 colour Avengers - these originally had the b/w triangle version on them, as broadcast by Channel 4 in 1982/83. Am I correct in thinking that, Avengers aside, this was the only colour ABC show? Lucy In London Cast: Lucille Ball: Lucy Carmichael Anthony Newley: Anthony Fitz-Faversham John Stone: Customs Officer Frank Thornton: Passport Officer Edna Morris: Dresser Tony Blanshard: Cook Jenny Counsell: First Servant Girl Jennie Paul: Second Servant Girl Dennis Whitemore: Teenager Production Co-producer and Choreographer: David Winters Executive in Charge of Production: Cleo Smith Associate Producer in London: John Bryce Music Conducted, Composed and Arranged by: Irwin Kostal Special Musical Material for Anthony Newley Arranged by: Billy Goldenberg Lucy In London Musical Number Arranged by: Phil Spector Director of Photography and Location Supervisor, London: Fouad Said Art Director: Peter Hampton Film Editor: John Foley and Bud Smith Production Supervisor: James Paisley Assistant Production Manager: Howard Connell Assistant Choreographer: Suzanne France Production Assistance and Consideration Furnished by: Pan American World Travel Post Producttion Excutive: Bill Heath Sound Editor: Joseph Sorokin Costume Designer: Edward Stevenson Costumer: Jackie Jackson Sound Engineer: Burdick Trask Graphics: Bob Willoughby Make-up Artisits: Lee Greenway and Jane Evans Hair Stylist: Irma Kusely and Jean Bear Music Supervision: Wilbur Hatch Music Editors: Jack Hunsaker and Norman Bennett Photo Effects: Howard Anderson Co. Executive Production: Lucille Ball A Desilu production in association with Associated British Corporation Entire production filmed in England |
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Post by hartley967 on Dec 27, 2007 22:22:11 GMT
Am I correct in thinking that, Avengers aside, this was the only colour ABC show? Lucy In London Well Kev 'Journey of a Lifetime' may have been the first ? and 'Frontier' may have been the last?. However the boss of ABC apparently liked SECAM (French system) and had his engineers messing about with that for sometime. So there might be some SECAM stuff knocking about? Adopting SECAM would have meant a more expensive set, plus it produced peculiarities on captions..and that is why we have the SCART plug ,as the French needed the extra wires to connect something to stop captions fizzing when connecting a VCR etc .....or something like that anyway  ,, |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Dec 27, 2007 22:28:36 GMT
[/quote] Well Kev 'Journey of a Lifetime' may have been the first ? I know nothing about this show. More info please. and 'Frontier' may have been the last?. I enjoyed the monochrome remaining footage of this. Never knew it was in colour. Shown by Thames shortly after the 68 shake-up? Adopting SECAM would have meant a more expensive set, plus it produced peculiarities on captions..and that is why we have the SCART plug ,as the French needed the extra wires to connect something to stop captions fizzing when connecting a VCR etc .....or something like that anyway I see. What does scart stand for? I've been saying it for years not knowing what it meant. [/quote] |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Dec 27, 2007 22:37:07 GMT
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