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Post by lewisjones on Sept 20, 2024 18:09:27 GMT
Hello,
I'm just wondering if Barbados has ever been checked as it has definitely received and broadcasted every missing episode from the Hartnell era, with the exception of the Tenth Planet, could any still be out there?
Lewis
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Post by johngrundy on Sept 20, 2024 20:16:53 GMT
Most assuredly it will have been checked by Phil Morris. We await the results of his search with hope!
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Post by John Wall on Sept 20, 2024 20:45:58 GMT
Some day PM will give us a definitive list but the Caribbean is much easier to physically check than the likes of Nigeria, etc.
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Post by Rob Moss on Sept 20, 2024 21:08:22 GMT
Hello, I'm just wondering if Barbados has ever been checked as it has definitely received and broadcasted every missing episode from the Hartnell era, with the exception of the Tenth Planet, could any still be out there? Lewis Presumably also with the exception of The Daleks’ Master Plan and Mission to the Unknown… |
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Post by lewisjones on Sept 21, 2024 15:11:41 GMT
Hello, I'm just wondering if Barbados has ever been checked as it has definitely received and broadcasted every missing episode from the Hartnell era, with the exception of the Tenth Planet, could any still be out there? Lewis Presumably also with the exception of The Daleks’ Master Plan and Mission to the Unknown… Yes, absolutely! I don't know why I forgot about that. |
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Post by seanmartindill2 on Sept 24, 2024 8:43:42 GMT
Both Broadcast Who, and to an extent Wiped by Richard Molesworth, suggest that Africa, in the form of Sierra Leone, and Zambia but at least Zambia were the destination of the Barbados prints, as they had the same set of Hartnell episodes as Barbados. So, if checked there would have been nothing
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Post by lewisjones on Sept 24, 2024 16:30:24 GMT
Both Broadcast Who, and to an extent Wiped by Richard Molesworth, suggest that Africa, in the form of Sierra Leone, and Zambia but at least Zambia were the destination of the Barbados prints, as they had the same set of Hartnell episodes as Barbados. So, if checked there would have been nothing Broadcast Who said every print moved on in Seasons 1-3, yet they broadcasted the Smugglers from S4, as unlikely as it is (and without creating a rumour), maybe that never left Barbados? |
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Post by seanmartindill2 on Sept 27, 2024 1:24:31 GMT
Sigh, The Smugglers was shown in Barbados, Zambia, and Sierra Leone, as mentioned likely the same print, ending up in SL most likely.
Whatever happened, it left Barbados for one of those two, if SL was it's last stop then that copy came back in 74 according to SL shipping records. If for some small reason that it was a separate copy in Zambia, (and it's highly unlikely that either SL or Zambia received a fresh set of prints, instead of being bicycled, (though not discounting a small chance), then that copy was sent back.
It's highly unlikely, and in this case, no chance that anything remained in Barbados
Other copies
NZ to Singapore, this copy likely returned in 72 after transmission or more likely 73
because in 73, the NZ copy of Warmachines was sent after Singapore to Nigeria. The rest were sent back to UK as no sale to Nigeria. Though it was still offered as one a few Hartnells still for sale into 74 by Enterprises then junked. So it appears by 1975 the only copy still in existence came by Australia
If you are interested in missing episodes I reckon listen to missing episode podcast. It gives you a fascinating insight into what and why things were sold. For example, they analyse why the Gunfighters with no sale to NZ should have been the story sold to Nigeria ( and hence Ian Levine not discovering parts 1, 3 and 4) in Nigeria in 1984. However, it looks like that War Machines was simply grabbed as the next available story still up for sale or still had copies, the Gunfighters that was in Enterprises being the copy that went via Barbados to Africa then returned. If WM had not still been for sale but Smugglers had, they might have asked Singapore to send that to Nigeria.
The Nigerian sales were not requested by stations at that time themselves but it seems a desperate move to get last minute sales before the sales rights finished, and to get the money back from prepaid royalties.
Australians copy (unless a regional Aussie print) returned in June 75
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Post by seanmartindill2 on Sept 27, 2024 1:43:03 GMT
It looks like that by at least 1972, with sales drying up for b/w 60s that Enterprises checked with it's regular customers whether they still wanted b/w programmes. Nigeria was still looking for cheap programmes, and so why
Web Planet
Time Meddler were sent to one station in 73
Wheel in Space and Warmachines to the Lagos station in 73
Snowman, Enemy and Web to Kaduna/Jos in 74/75
and unknown stations Dominators, and Krotons in 75/76 all likely from Singapore, and either the NZ/Singapore prints or the HK/Singapore prints
By 73, Myth Makers, Massacre, Ark, Celestial and Gunfighters, Savages, sales rights all expired
So, Enterprises junked theirs. (Though different ideas why Ark and Gun were kept)They knew that there were copies in SL, Singapore, and Australia.
So when the copies came back from Singapore, and SL over 73/74 then they might have been held for a bit but when by end of 74, Australia confirmed that it was not going to transmit old b/w 60s who anymore, it either returned them in 75 as we saw, or junked them at home
The only possibility really is that somehow if there were duplicate prints of the Smugglers in Australia, a private collector has one, or similarly in UK a copy of an episode from the Enterprise print, the SL/Zambia print or the Singapore print may be in a private hands but you are looking at the odds of one of hundreds of multiple prints being a Smugglers one
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