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Post by Scot Ferre on Aug 3, 2024 19:06:13 GMT
There was a tweet by the official DW account that explains that Fear Her will be redubbed for those lines.
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Post by johngrundy on Aug 3, 2024 20:12:37 GMT
There was a tweet by the official DW account that explains that Fear Her will be redubbed for those lines. Ok, thanks, Scott. So not apparently then! |
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Post by RWels on Aug 3, 2024 21:03:26 GMT
Master tape aside - because there isn't one - what will the archival status of Fear Her be considered as - in future? Will there be 2 versions as Matt raised, or only a recognised censored version? This is where the discussion is interesting because we are now out of the 16mm/video era into digital. But what will the archival status of Fear Her now be? No-one said 'tape'. It's a (rich) master file, many GB in a high bitrate and possibly several audio channels. Actually, sometimes they're stored on data tape, of the type that is commonly also used for computer system backups. Two people tell you there will simply be two masters, one of which won't be used, but will still exist. You may find the discussion interesting, but it sounds to me like your question has been answered. And now this story could be archived as one copy with changes made for the future. A censored copy, like we have a censored version of the War Machines in the archive. That was nearly 60 years ago. Like you said yourself, the days of 16mm and video are past, so the comparison doesn't work. Technically 16mm wasn't a master anyway; that would have been the ampex tape. (Although it's not a vital difference because edits could still also have been made to those tapes anyway; at least I think that has actually happened to some other programs up until the 1970s.) |
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Post by johngrundy on Aug 3, 2024 22:24:26 GMT
Master tape aside - because there isn't one - what will the archival status of Fear Her be considered as - in future? Will there be 2 versions as Matt raised, or only a recognised censored version? This is where the discussion is interesting because we are now out of the 16mm/video era into digital. But what will the archival status of Fear Her now be? No-one said 'tape'. It's a (rich) master file, many GB in a high bitrate and possibly several audio channels. Actually, sometimes they're stored on data tape, of the type that is commonly also used for computer system backups. Two people tell you there will simply be two masters, one of which won't be used, but will still exist. You may find the discussion interesting, but it sounds to me like your question has been answered. And now this story could be archived as one copy with changes made for the future. A censored copy, like we have a censored version of the War Machines in the archive. That was nearly 60 years ago. Like you said yourself, the days of 16mm and video are past, so the comparison doesn't work. Technically 16mm wasn't a master anyway; that would have been the ampex tape. (Although it's not a vital difference because edits could still also have been made to those tapes anyway; at least I think that has actually happened to some other programs up until the 1970s.) Yes sorry, what I was trying to convey was that we're out of physical master copies into digital archiving. So it's interesting that this is now (I believe) the first Dr Who ep to be purged/censored in this digital age. So how do we now classify this ep? Which version is 'the one' offically recognised in the archive. And what implications does it have for Joe Public in future with i-player or 4K release in future? Sorry it's not easy posting on this thread in a nightclub where bottles and chairs are flying everywhere (what's going on?) BTW are you Robert Wells I knew at school - massive fan of Hartnell? |
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Post by RWels on Aug 4, 2024 9:20:53 GMT
Yes sorry, what I was trying to convey was that we're out of physical master copies into digital archiving. So it's interesting that this is now (I believe) the first Dr Who ep to be purged/censored in this digital age. So how do we now classify this ep? Which version is 'the one' offically recognised in the archive. And what implications does it have for Joe Public in future with i-player or 4K release in future? Sorry it's not easy posting on this thread in a nightclub where bottles and chairs are flying everywhere (what's going on?) BTW are you Robert Wells I knew at school - massive fan of Hartnell? No, sorry, though I think I saw the name once somewhere film-related. Archives (or databases) have options for versions of an item. Sort of like a library might have the same book in different editions (hardcover/softcover/large type etcetera). One won't be used anymore; but in this case, if someone really wants it, they can get it anyway. The same system also covers extended editions of a program, or copies with/without laughter track, things like that. |
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Post by johngrundy on Aug 4, 2024 10:23:24 GMT
Yes sorry, what I was trying to convey was that we're out of physical master copies into digital archiving. So it's interesting that this is now (I believe) the first Dr Who ep to be purged/censored in this digital age. So how do we now classify this ep? Which version is 'the one' offically recognised in the archive. And what implications does it have for Joe Public in future with i-player or 4K release in future? Sorry it's not easy posting on this thread in a nightclub where bottles and chairs are flying everywhere (what's going on?) BTW are you Robert Wells I knew at school - massive fan of Hartnell? No, sorry, though I think I saw the name once somewhere film-related. Archives (or databases) have options for versions of an item. Sort of like a library might have the same book in different editions (hardcover/softcover/large type etcetera). One won't be used anymore; but in this case, if someone really wants it, they can get it anyway. The same system also covers extended editions of a program, or copies with/without laughter track, things like that. Yes you did see film-related - blame the nightclub.  Anyway, I understand the available options/editions in the archives - like with The Curse of Fenric (3 or 4 editions in the archive?), but my point with Fear Her is - which edition will now be considered the definitive version of this episode? You might say the original version, yet this isn't what will become available to Joe Public in future on i-player or 4K. Even if the original version isn't deleted from the archive (which it likely won't be), we still have the first case here of purging and censoring a Doctor Who episode in this digital age. Everything else that was censored and purged (like The Deadly Assassin Part 3) happened in the days of physical medium. |
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Post by nathangeorge on Aug 4, 2024 15:57:17 GMT
I remember the days when just one version of Fear Her was considered excessive
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Post by Rob Moss on Aug 8, 2024 1:05:10 GMT
I think it’s safe to assume that the original version will still be retained, but the redubbed version will become the new transmission and sales master moving forward.
However, I’d suggest that anyone genuinely concerned about this should consider picking up a copy of the recent blu ray release which contains the original version. While stocks last.
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Post by John Green on Sept 16, 2024 19:29:41 GMT
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