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Post by sonnybh on Jun 12, 2024 20:33:47 GMT
I was reading about the original Frances Hodgson Burnett novel & its many adaptations over the years.
This adaptation was directed by Derek Martinus, who directed for Dr Who, and was licensed for distribution by 20th Century-Fox Television, for use on ABC affiliates.
In spite of this the master tapes were wiped and no copies are known to exist.
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Post by darrenlee on Jun 12, 2024 21:58:51 GMT
TVBrain says it exists in full. It's definitely a case of 'citation needed' on the Wikipedia page, which says it is all lost. The Persian dubbed clips on Youtube, e.g. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue_sCryXIxU, therefore inevitably have comments stating it is lost and others saying it exists. There's a long-standing campaign for it to be made available.
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Post by John Green on Jun 12, 2024 22:31:36 GMT
A fiftieth anniversary release would be... Oh. As you were!
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Post by RWels on Jun 13, 2024 7:32:42 GMT
There's this little known place called the "British Film Institute", pompous as it may sound. But these people, whoever they are, CLAIM to have all the episodes. The catalogue's been looking weird and acting up for days, but I managed to find it: collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/ChoiceFilmWorks/150792253In fairness, if you look closely you'll see they'll only have VHS. But since VHS didn't exist in 1973, it follows that that's a viewing copy made later. In other words, the episodes were still around to be copied. The series also appears to have been shown in other countries, for example on (West-)German television in 1980. It may or may not exist there (dubbed, probably, but still). One can even try to order it on-demand from Germany (so-called "Mitschnitte").
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Jun 13, 2024 8:49:18 GMT
There's also a little known place called the "BBC" - they have it all on their Digital Archive so it's not missing. Fake news I'm afraid - well not, as it's good news! Might one day pop up on iPlayer I suppose, but a commercial release wouldn't cover it's costs I would humbly suggest...
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Post by darrenlee on Jun 13, 2024 10:17:51 GMT
I don't think I've ever had a satisfactory experience with the BFI website. As far as I can see, that page does not say anything about what is held, it just directs me to a dead link in the 'Hierarchy Display', and the 'Collections - Film/Video' link on the left leads to a page saying 'No film or video materials are held in the BFI National Archive'. Am I missing something? Why do they want to make it difficult?
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Post by RWels on Jun 13, 2024 13:27:41 GMT
I don't think I've ever had a satisfactory experience with the BFI website. As far as I can see, that page does not say anything about what is held, it just directs me to a dead link in the 'Hierarchy Display', and the 'Collections - Film/Video' link on the left leads to a page saying 'No film or video materials are held in the BFI National Archive'. Am I missing something? Why do they want to make it difficult? Problems: 1. At the moment -> The search page is nog working properly so the layout was all wrong and you can't get to the next page of search results. <- At the moment. 2. It's layered so that the database can represent a series title with individual episodes attached to it (one level down so to speak). (Hence the text "For details of BFI holdings, see individual episodic Works in the Hierarchy Display.".) Checking the series for video (mis)leads you to think there's nothing there. But expand the "episodes" dropdown on the right. When an episode is chosen, click on Film/video on the left then (or centre as "view all"). You'll see they hold a VHS copy of each episode.
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Post by RWels on Jun 13, 2024 13:37:35 GMT
There's also a little known place called the "BBC" - they have it all on their Digital Archive so it's not missing. Fake news I'm afraid - well not, as it's good news! Might one day pop up on iPlayer I suppose, but a commercial release wouldn't cover it's costs I would humbly suggest... Ah yes but that's members-only. However, one of those members has been selling low-res preview files under the counter for years, via a pdf and using several different names. So eventually it will get out in broadly acceptable quality anyway. (I don't especially approve of that - I only note that it's happening. It's been going on for a long time, and seemingly completely unopposed.)
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Jun 13, 2024 15:17:04 GMT
Members only? Off way of describing people who are working for the BBC...
In terms of people ripping stuff out of any archive & selling ann/or putting them on YouTube, they could well be lessening the changes of any formal commercial release as people will have seen them anyway... outside of them being fired of course (if they are still working for the Beeb). I don't approve of it either - sooner or later they may be caught...
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Post by darrenlee on Jun 13, 2024 16:31:54 GMT
I don't think I've ever had a satisfactory experience with the BFI website. As far as I can see, that page does not say anything about what is held, it just directs me to a dead link in the 'Hierarchy Display', and the 'Collections - Film/Video' link on the left leads to a page saying 'No film or video materials are held in the BFI National Archive'. Am I missing something? Why do they want to make it difficult? Problems: 1. At the moment -> The search page is nog working properly so the layout was all wrong and you can't get to the next page of search results. <- At the moment. 2. It's layered so that the database can represent a series title with individual episodes attached to it (one level down so to speak). (Hence the text "For details of BFI holdings, see individual episodic Works in the Hierarchy Display.".) Checking the series for video (mis)leads you to think there's nothing there. But expand the "episodes" dropdown on the right. When an episode is chosen, click on Film/video on the left then (or centre as "view all"). You'll see they hold a VHS copy of each episode. Right, thank you. That '+' is so small, and it's a neat touch making the word look like a dead link. It's almost as though they don't want short-sighted people to offer thousands for a viewing. I see you have corrected the Wikipedia page, which I guess was the source for this thread.
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Post by RWels on Jun 13, 2024 16:48:04 GMT
Members only? Off way of describing people who are working for the BBC... The boring way to put it, is that the BFI's cataogue is openly available; so that should put an end to all public discussion if the program is lost. (Wikipedia for example has some bad apples, but they can't argue with a clear reference.) In terms of people ripping stuff out of any archive & selling ann/or putting them on YouTube, they could well be lessening the changes of any formal commercial release as people will have seen them anyway... outside of them being fired of course (if they are still working for the Beeb). I don't approve of it either - sooner or later they may be caught... Quite true, except for the 'sooner' part - we're way past that, it's already 'later' now.
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 13, 2024 20:32:02 GMT
Thanks for the feedback, the BBC seemed to have a good track record for keeping costume dramas.
There are some strange urban myths about programmes that aren't commercially available, like the ones about 1990 before it was eventually released on DVD. The weirdest was about a BBC documentary about the history of the British Empire that has supposedly expunged from all records!
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Post by RWels on Jun 13, 2024 21:25:25 GMT
Oh there's surely some incomplete or missing costume drama too? Like the 1950s Pride and Prejudice, while the 1960s version exists; and almost the exact opposite for Jane Eyre, the 1960s adaptation is incomplete, but the 1950s version is accounted for! And some Charles Dickes series are missing, even though it was still shown in East-Germany of all places at a very late date!
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Jun 14, 2024 8:30:53 GMT
Members only? Off way of describing people who are working for the BBC... The boring way to put it, is that the BFI's cataogue is openly available; so that should put an end to all public discussion if the program is lost. (Wikipedia for example has some bad apples, but they can't argue with a clear reference.) Don't agree with that - if the BBC still hold a programme, it may still come out in some form on iPlayer, Streaming, BBC4 or a commercial release if someone thinks they can make money out of it.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jun 14, 2024 10:14:13 GMT
Thanks for the feedback, the BBC seemed to have a good track record for keeping costume dramas. There are some strange urban myths about programmes that aren't commercially available, like the ones about 1990 before it was eventually released on DVD. The weirdest was about a BBC documentary about the history of the British Empire that has supposedly expunged from all records! Probably didn't comply with the modern-day agenda and thinking that it was a 'mass murdering thief of no use to anybody'.
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