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Post by Stephen Byers on Nov 11, 2023 13:20:20 GMT
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Post by mattg on Nov 11, 2023 15:52:28 GMT
So the article’s author is ‘relieved’ that Rusty’s keeping Chibnall’s lore destroying, audience shedding nonsense? That’s a bit like Star Wars ‘Phantom Menace fans (incredibly they do exist) hypothetically rejoicing over Disney acknowledging Jar Jar Binks…  |
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Post by nathangeorge on Nov 11, 2023 16:53:37 GMT
Being as Russ is planning a lot of Whoniverse spin-off shows it makes sense for them to acknowledge stuff from the recent past. I never thought he would jettison Chibnall's stuff, he wants to use the 60th to woo fans back and accept it as part of official Who lore. Let's see if he can pull it off. If he can't, then the next gap - wilderness years redux - will be grateful for any and all mythology available.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 17:04:37 GMT
I am not. Russell claims he is doing a reboot and Ncuti's first season will be series 1. Hope he would distance himself from the chibnall crap. |
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Post by nathangeorge on Nov 11, 2023 17:09:34 GMT
I am not. Russell claims he is doing a reboot and Ncuti's first season will be series 1. Hope he would distance himself from the chibnall crap. I don't know that. Ew. |
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Post by John Green on Nov 11, 2023 18:10:40 GMT
Well, I tried an episode or so of the Nu-Who stuff. In fact, two or three spread over several Doctors.
"Frenetically-paced crapola" was my opinion, and I've spent a lot of time not watching it over the last few years, so the question of (Good Lord) canonical or non-canonical doesn't keep me up at nights. Obviously, opinions differ!
I try to keep up with Doctor Who Four-weekly magazine, and have been a but worried-the Bonny Langford issue seemed a good example-by the times that people say "Russell was OK with this", or "We were worried what Russell's reaction would be". Does he own the character?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 18:27:30 GMT
Being as Russ is planning a lot of Whoniverse spin-off shows it makes sense for them to acknowledge stuff from the recent past. I never thought he would jettison Chibnall's stuff, he wants to use the 60th to woo fans back and accept it as part of official Who lore. Let's see if he can pull it off. If he can't, then the next gap - wilderness years redux - will be grateful for any and all mythology available. Rumours about Paul McGann spinoff series. So want this. Just hope he does not allow a very socially aware Disney to get their fingers into it. Chibnall nearly killed the show for good with all his socially aware behaviour. Glad Russell is back. |
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Post by sonnybh on Nov 11, 2023 21:23:38 GMT
Being as Russ is planning a lot of Whoniverse spin-off shows it makes sense for them to acknowledge stuff from the recent past. I never thought he would jettison Chibnall's stuff, he wants to use the 60th to woo fans back and accept it as part of official Who lore. Let's see if he can pull it off. If he can't, then the next gap - wilderness years redux - will be grateful for any and all mythology available. Rumours about Paul McGann spinoff series. So want this. Just hope he does not allow a very socially aware Disney to get their fingers into it. Chibnall nearly killed the show for good with all his socially aware behaviour. Glad Russell is back. The same one who wrote Queer As Folk & It's A Sin?! |
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Post by stevehoare61 on Nov 12, 2023 7:50:46 GMT
'Chibnalls brilliant work'? Trouble is they are good friends and Chibnall of course wrote a lot of the awfull episodes on Torchwood too. It must be difficult when there are friendships involved. I am personally worried that RTD may be getting a little too grand for himself and dismissing a huge part of Who fans and the public of course that switched off during that period is a little dodgy. You can not erase Jodies time as its no different to the hostility that Colin had during his time, if people can remember back and to an extent the first Sylvester season which was a pantomime. But things died down and things settled. The same will happen with Jodies eps, but you cant turn a shows history on its head after 60 yrs and expect people to be happy about it. The younger fans dont have those 60 yrs of memories etc and so will accept things far easier. RTD knows better..he would be better off, being less socially aware, skirting around certain things and doing what he does best.
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Post by clive on Nov 16, 2023 4:58:25 GMT
Whatever happens, overseas fans have been kicked in the teeth by RTD. He has prostituted the show to Disney+ (presumably for money) - no impact on UK viewers, but for loyal viewers (and their TV channels). Its not easy to celebrate the 60th anniversary without paying a fortune to Disney. Since the beginning of the classic series, the ABC in Australia has run the show, supported it, repeated it (lots), built up a loyal viewer base, even repeated all the complete surviving stories in the 'wilderness' years, and generally been brilliant for (nearly) 60 years. Now the viewers have been ignored, the ABC has had the rug pulled out from under it, and this has probably happened to many other countries around the world who used to get free-to-air Dr Who. Curse RTD, he has ruined the 60th anniversary for me, probably millions of other people around the world, as a vanity exercise. I WILL NOT subscribe to Disney!!!
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Post by stevehoare61 on Nov 16, 2023 5:52:26 GMT
I hadnt realised it was that bad for overseas fans. Im also worried about the one thing that always happens when an American company takes over a British Company, or in this case becomes its distributor, ,,,it always starts with, 'we dont intend changing the product at all, its a fantastic addition to the company, blah blah....now, theres clearly millions of dollars involved here, you can bet 'yer left nut', its a matter of time before things start changing. small and unnoticeable to start but they will. I dont know that RTD is responsible , I would have assumed the BBC itself were the main culprits. But we will find ourselves with a product, that starts resembling everything the US produces, losing its unique Britishness and quirkiness which made it so attractive for 60 yrs. Hope Im wrong.
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Post by Scot Ferre on Nov 16, 2023 12:54:31 GMT
You can always just subscribe for one month and binge the season.
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Post by nathangeorge on Nov 18, 2023 7:37:08 GMT
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Post by stevehoare61 on Nov 18, 2023 20:32:22 GMT
Have to be honest Nathan, I think exactly the same way. I wasnt entirely happy with what happened with the Children In Need skit, its messing with History again and is because of RTDs personal feelings about disability etc.. Im beginning to get a little concerned about this new series, as more and more slips out, the more I worry about whats coming. Itll take a lot more than bringing back old companions, an old logo to woo back a lot of the viewers. It needs good strong stories, good acting and good production, without that it wont make much difference. We saw what happened when wokism and diversity etc made its way into the show with Chibnall, Disney has never been so criticised and making such huge losses. I think they do have an input and we shall see that in time.
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Post by nathangeorge on Nov 19, 2023 8:48:15 GMT
My main problem is the endless desire to simply tick boxes in the hope the show's social conscience will have mass appeal. The endeavor mostly failed because it never seemed to me a heartfelt desire to reflect modern times, but a cynical, almost corporate, decision to satiate a mass desire for change that didn't really exist. That audience wasn't there, not for Doctor Who and its belated, cynical attempts to be 'modern'. Neo-liberalism from neo-capitalists. I'm not surprised the stories sucked.
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