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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 13:54:49 GMT
In 1987, when BBC Enterprise was evacuating Villiers House, they found film cans in a cupboard. The film cans found were labelled The Ice Warriors Episodes 2, 4, 5, & 6 and Fury from the Deep Episode 6. On inspection, the film inside The Ice Warriors 2 can was actually The Ice Warriors episode 1, and the film inside Fury from the Deep 6 did not contain the missing episode, it was a different program whatsoever.
What's the origin of this film can, why was there a different progran inside and what possibly happened to the Fury from the Deep Episode 6 print that may have originally been inside?
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Post by Ace St.John on Oct 27, 2023 20:17:15 GMT
I guess only the people who worked there would know possibly?
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Post by John Green on Oct 27, 2023 21:52:10 GMT
A moment's thoughtlessness, immortalised forever.
And now, if e'er by chance I put
My fingers into glue,
Or madly squeeze a right-hand foot
Into a left-hand shoe.
(It was generally only children's video-tapes that were put into the wrong boxes back in the day; so long as it was a Rosie and Jim tape, it didn't seem to much matter that it was the wrong Rosie and Jim case. It does seem a bit slapdash for a broadcaster-if that's who it was-to misfile a film reel. Or perhaps the thoroughgoing inventory-check taking place at the ITV archive will show it's a bit more common than we think. I think it's happened once or twice that BBC shows have turned up at ITV, or vice-versa.).
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Oct 28, 2023 0:18:19 GMT
Did this really warrant a new thread? What answers are you hoping for? Do you imagine someone on this forum knows the answers but just forgot to mention it? People make mistakes. Things get filed in the wrong place or mislaid. Films get put in the wrong cans. Sh!t happens.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 28, 2023 10:12:26 GMT
Did this really warrant a new thread? What answers are you hoping for? Do you imagine someone on this forum knows the answers but just forgot to mention it? People make mistakes. Things get filed in the wrong place or mislaid. Films get put in the wrong cans. Sh!t happens. No it didn't. It's just what Angel does. It's like a randomiser of which section of wikipedia or any other site with info on MEs does he next start a thread on. No depth, rhyme, or reason. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 28, 2023 11:33:15 GMT
Yeah sadly when the forum is quiet for a few days and there's no news either a new thread is created or a random comment is added to an old one. Look at the last one on the auction thread days ago which no one responded to so it was this one next. Tbh one thing of credit I will give is I prefer a random thread about something like this to the hopeless rumour peddling. Although the constant bringing up of britbox one has got a bit much
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Post by josephsenior on Oct 28, 2023 13:59:36 GMT
Angel means well, sadly though I think that post limiting them would help.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 1:56:28 GMT
Angel means well, sadly though I think that post limiting them would help. That's not nice. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 29, 2023 9:05:40 GMT
Angel means well, sadly though I think that post limiting them would help. That's not nice. To be fair, you've been told several times by several people nicely, and sometimes not....and you havn't got the hint...so its not a huge shock someone would suggest something like this. |
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Post by deanreynolds on Oct 29, 2023 10:37:10 GMT
If it wasn't for people like Angel, this place would have tumbleweed blowing through it. If you don't like his posts why don't you just pass on commenting on them.
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 29, 2023 11:25:18 GMT
Tumbleweed till there's something to actually discuss suits me.
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Post by peterbowie on Oct 29, 2023 14:46:41 GMT
Angel, I feel like you're in the right for posting about Doctor Who missing episodes on a Doctor Who missing episodes forum. However, I have sent a missive to the High Council of Gallifrey requesting that they weigh in. It may take a while due to them not existing and/or the various inconsistencies of canon surrounding them. There's a photo of the actual can here: broadwcast.org/index.php/Fury_from_the_DeepIt seems like it would've only contained the back half of the episode. Though I don't understand the reasoning; wouldn't a 35mm film can be bigger, not smaller, and thus fill a film can with ease? If it was film can originally for FX shots or location footage, maybe. I'm guessing the 9:23 is the (time) amount of footage on the reel. 24-36 is a total time estimate of the two reels. RR6 is Fury's production code. Not sure about the 10/UGNT/44248 though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 16:45:57 GMT
Angel, I feel like you're in the right for posting about Doctor Who missing episodes on a Doctor Who missing episodes forum. However, I have sent a missive to the High Council of Gallifrey requesting that they weigh in. It may take a while due to them not existing and/or the various inconsistencies of canon surrounding them. There's a photo of the actual can here: broadwcast.org/index.php/Fury_from_the_DeepIt seems like it would've only contained the back half of the episode. Though I don't understand the reasoning; wouldn't a 35mm film can be bigger, not smaller, and thus fill a film can with ease? If it was film can originally for FX shots or location footage, maybe. I'm guessing the 9:23 is the (time) amount of footage on the reel. 24-36 is a total time estimate of the two reels. RR6 is Fury's production code. Not sure about the 10/UGNT/44248 though. You do bring up an interesting question. If we do find the missing Fury from the Deep 6 print and it's confirm that half of the episode is present, do we consider it found or still missing? IDK, but precedence may help. The War Machines Episodes 3 and 4 are missing sections but are considered complete thanks to both Australian censor clips and the Blue Peter film inserts being used to fill the missing sections, alongside off-air audio and other footage in the serial. In constant, we have 5 minutes of Galaxy 4 ep. 1 taken from a viewing print plus an additional minute of the begging of the episode via an off-air 8mm recording, but is considered incomplete as the total is only 1/4. So, what do you think? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 29, 2023 17:45:13 GMT
Though I don't understand the reasoning; wouldn't a 35mm film can be bigger, not smaller, and thus fill a film can with ease? If it was film can originally for FX shots or location footage, maybe. It's not 35mm, it's 16mm, as stated on the label. |
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Post by peterbowie on Oct 29, 2023 20:30:38 GMT
Missing, yes. Half an episode missing is worse than a minute or so of action shots. Would be nice to have Victoria's depature though, alas. Though I don't understand the reasoning; wouldn't a 35mm film can be bigger, not smaller, and thus fill a film can with ease? If it was film can originally for FX shots or location footage, maybe. It's not 35mm, it's 16mm, as stated on the label. I mean this part from Broadwcast: (the can itself was a smaller sized one, used for 35mm film, which meant that the 16mm film would have to be cut in half and wound onto two reels in order to fit). Why would the 35mm film can not be able to fit a full 16mm episode? I'm guessing because the can was originally designed for inserts like we have for some episodeds? |
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