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Post by barneyhall on Oct 23, 2023 17:38:40 GMT
If your first bit is referring to the Britbox stuff, that's been debunked countless times.
I'd love more Space Pirates (it's really not as bad as people think in my opinion). It's not perfect by any means, but it's mostly just a bit of harmless fun. The first two episodes are a slog to get through (especially episode 2!) but it gets better after that[/quote]
yeah but its been quiet on the site for a few days so the usual rumour mongers need turn the cogs of the machine or they risk it stopping. Couldn't agree more with you about space pirates it's a fun romp that I think is badly represented by the surviving episode. I think animation could really help to being it to life. And if by some miracle this story turned up behind someone's sofa.....I think it would enjoy a similar reevaluation to what enemy of the world did
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Post by mattg on Oct 23, 2023 18:35:38 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly but out of all the then orphan episodes that featured on the old ‘The Troughton Years’ VHS compilation episode 2 of ‘Pirates was by far the one that gripped my younger self the most. Neither owning the audio or the Target novelisation at the time I was particularly intrigued by the unanswered question of whether the enigmatic interstellar hillbilly, solar toaster sceptic and Joseph Stalin lookalike, Milo Clancy, was really a Space Pirate... That’s actually quite the compliment to Robert Holmes script given that a story’s second episode, despite being utterly devoid of context or resolution, can still be so compelling. Yes, I too count myself in that diminutive group of fans who defy consensus by liking ‘The Space Pirates’! …I’d certainly swap it for Holmes’ other, sadly surviving, contribution to Season 6 given the chance that’s for sure…
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 23, 2023 19:02:41 GMT
Going off on a tangent slightly but out of all the then orphan episodes that featured on the old ‘The Troughton Years’ VHS compilation episode 2 of ‘Pirates was by far the one that gripped my younger self the most. Neither owning the audio or the Target novelisation at the time I was particularly intrigued by the unanswered question of whether the enigmatic interstellar hillbilly, solar toaster sceptic and Joseph Stalin lookalike, Milo Clancy, was really a Space Pirate... That’s actually quite the compliment to Robert Holmes script given that a story’s second episode, despite being utterly devoid of context or resolution, can still be so compelling. Yes, I too count myself in that diminutive group of fans who defy consensus by liking ‘The Space Pirates’! …I’d certainly swap it for Holmes’ other, sadly surviving, contribution to Season 6 given the chance that’s for sure… "sadly surving"? What's wrong with The Krotons?
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 23, 2023 19:23:26 GMT
I always feel the krotons gets a bit of a bad wrap.....is it the best no...is it one of the poorer Troughton yes...is it still superior to alot of other who, in my opinion yes. Il take krotons over anything from season 17 any day.
One of the things I think always Tars the krotons badly, is that for a while it was the only surviving Troughton and its hard not to look at it in a we'd swap it for nearly any other Troughton story kinda way.
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Post by michaelnorris on Oct 23, 2023 20:22:28 GMT
I always feel the krotons gets a bit of a bad wrap.....is it the best no...is it one of the poorer Troughton yes...is it still superior to alot of other who, in my opinion yes. Il take krotons over anything from season 17 any day. One of the things I think always Tars the krotons badly, is that for a while it was the only surviving Troughton and its hard not to look at it in a we'd swap it for nearly any other Troughton story kinda way. I've heard some people that love the Krotons, but I find it dreadfully boring. I find the Dominators to be much more entertaining, and theres some much more clever twists and ideas in The Space Pirates. Season 6 has a split personality disorder for me, The Mind Robber, The Seeds of Death, and The War Games are all great to excellent, while the Dominators, The Krotons, and The Space Pirates are mostly dull to bad (and I rate all three of those lower than the Underwater Menace). It'll be interesting to me to see how the season releasing on blu ray affects fan opinion.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 23, 2023 21:52:41 GMT
I will never understand fandom's apathy to The Krotons.Ever since it's repeat during the 5 Faces of Dr Who season in 1981 I've loved it,even wearing down my BBC video tape!It's intelligent,funny and because of Robert Holmes script,so indicative of Dr Who to come in the 1970s.It needs to be rappraised for the classic it is,rather than rubbish such as Enlightenment and Snakedance!
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Post by mattg on Oct 23, 2023 23:42:54 GMT
I always feel the krotons gets a bit of a bad wrap.....is it the best no...is it one of the poorer Troughton yes...is it still superior to alot of other who, in my opinion yes. Il take krotons over anything from season 17 any day. One of the things I think always Tars the krotons badly, is that for a while it was the only surviving Troughton and its hard not to look at it in a we'd swap it for nearly any other Troughton story kinda way. I've heard some people that love the Krotons Don’t worry Michael, they’ve all since been recaptured. Agree about The Dominators though as, despite being another much maligned story I’ve always enjoyed it. The Quarks may be poorly realised (they were meant to be the next Daleks for goodness sake!) but the ongoing battle between Rago and Toba is certainly one of the serial’s highlights. Also, at risk of turning this innocuous thread unwelcomely political, Dominators’ underlying ‘message’ is arguably laudable too and quite bold considering the seismic cultural shifts taking place in Britain (and indeed the West in general) at the time…
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Post by tom rogers on Oct 24, 2023 0:33:45 GMT
I love The Krotons and The Dominators. Both are fun stories with some interesting ideas. Everyone has their favorites and preferences, fair enough. I’m simply glad they were made and that both have survived.
But what do I know? I’m no high-brain 🤣
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 24, 2023 1:34:59 GMT
You do have to wonder how the Space Pirates didn't make it to the BFI along with other Season 6 episodes. That is an interesting mystery.
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Post by George D on Oct 24, 2023 4:14:05 GMT
Some say it's hard to judge Space pirates from the existing episode.
I have mixed opinions on that.
I Agree that Enemy 3 was not a fair assessment but the recon held up well.
The recon of space pirates isn't great. But I also understand the lack of visual and inferior audio.
Hopefully one day more surfaces
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Post by davetudor on Oct 24, 2023 10:57:58 GMT
The Space Pirates is one I am intrigued by, for numerous reasons, although I must admit that the last time I experienced it, via the LC recon, I did find it a bit of a slog.
It's obviously a very visual story and the lack of any existing visual material therefore does it no favours. However, even just a few more episode finds and it might go up in people's estimation - late 1960s depictions of space travel and the future on film and tv are gorgeous to see, and I reckon The Space Pirates would look superb.
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Post by nathangeorge on Oct 24, 2023 11:45:14 GMT
I listened to the soundtrack a few weeks back, it was just the second time I've experienced the story in full,the first being more than 10 years ago. Cavan is quite an underrated baddie I feel. Played by a rather good actor too (Dudley Foster). Milo Clancey is a solid Robert Holmes character... its a fun story, let down slightly by the lads on the V ship and only saved from total dullness by George Layton's groovy 60s hairdo and face furniture, which you sadly can't see on audio. Thank goodness for episode 2 otherwise that man's flowing thatch would be lost to history.
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Post by mattg on Oct 24, 2023 12:31:49 GMT
I listened to the soundtrack a few weeks back, it was just the second time I've experienced the story in full,the first being more than 10 years ago. Cavan is quite an underrated baddie I feel. Played by a rather good actor too (Dudley Foster). Milo Clancey is a solid Robert Holmes character... its a fun story, let down slightly by the lads on the V ship and only saved from total dullness by George Layton's groovy 60s hairdo and face furniture, which you sadly can't see on audio. Thank goodness for episode 2 otherwise that man's flowing thatch would be lost to history. For all its often under appreciated attributes ‘Pirates ultimately suffers from the same problem as most six parters: it’s two episodes too long. As such the serial starts off extremely well but inevitably drags a bit at the end courtesy of some obvious padding to stretch things out. ’Pirates still doesn’t deserve its largely negative reputation though and neither does Season 6 in general of which boasts far more hits than misses.
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Post by gbaker on Oct 24, 2023 12:32:53 GMT
You do have to wonder how the Space Pirates didn't make it to the BFI along with other Season 6 episodes. That is an interesting mystery. See thread on page 15 of this forum.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 24, 2023 12:34:22 GMT
You do have to wonder how the Space Pirates didn't make it to the BFI along with other Season 6 episodes. That is an interesting mystery. See thread on page 15 of this forum. There are too many of them. Please provide a link to the thread you are referring to.
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