Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jul 31, 2023 9:25:32 GMT
My view of an AI win would be to re-create a missing episode using different actors then use AI to substitute in the original actors for the new ones.
You could also substitute the old sets for the new ones.
So, try to get as close as possible to the original using whatever sort of information we have about how the actors would have moved around and so on. Create *reasonable* sets. Try to recreate facial expressions as best you can on the close ups. Then bring the AI in.
Richard
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Post by John Wall on Jul 31, 2023 9:34:55 GMT
My view of an AI win would be to re-create a missing episode using different actors then use AI to substitute in the original actors for the new ones. You could also substitute the old sets for the new ones. So, try to get as close as possible to the original using whatever sort of information we have about how the actors would have moved around and so on. Create *reasonable* sets. Try to recreate facial expressions as best you can on the close ups. Then bring the AI in. Richard Remember the Star Trek TNG episode “Relics”. They were able to put Scotty and Picard on the bridge of the original Enterprise as there were pictures of the set without people. In terms of facial expressions it should be remembered that Cybermen don’t have any 👍 What about MEs from Wheel?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jul 31, 2023 15:28:03 GMT
In terms of facial expressions it should be remembered that Cybermen don’t have any ... But now we can fix that!
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Post by emjayf on Jul 31, 2023 22:00:05 GMT
Well I am super impressed by those! Yes it's obviously not QUITE real at points but this is early days & this could be an amazing way to present closer recreation of lost classics. I bet a lot more can be done now, seen as the clips were from 2020! These technologies advance so quickly! Cheers all MJ
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Post by John Wall on Jul 31, 2023 22:20:53 GMT
👆 I’m very pleased to agree, those are very good 👍 Surely we can’t be too far off something suitable for the DVD/BluRay range?
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Post by Steve Hamilton on Aug 1, 2023 10:19:48 GMT
Hi, In the first clip from Gav Rymill on twitter and reposted by Stuart Douglas, can somebody tell me which story the telesnap with the dalek comes from?
I don't recognise the actors or the costumes. Is it from POTD?
Thanks
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Post by jimhope on Aug 1, 2023 15:06:45 GMT
I think the clips look very impressive
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 2, 2023 2:06:07 GMT
Something that AI might be able to tackle in the near future is recreating the missing information from skip-field video and field-suppressed film telerecordings. I can imagine a human artist doing a decent job on a single frame, but it might take days, and there's thousand of frames on a reel. There's also the problem of the occasional out-of-phase film inserts that have double images, which hasn't been cracked yet as far as I know.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 2, 2023 12:33:11 GMT
Something that AI might be able to tackle in the near future is recreating the missing information from skip-field video and field-suppressed film telerecordings. I can imagine a human artist doing a decent job on a single frame, but it might take days, and there's thousand of frames on a reel. There's also the problem of the occasional out-of-phase film inserts that have double images, which hasn't been cracked yet as far as I know. That’s a very interesting avenue imho 👍 I wonder if it might help recolourisation of, for example, IotD1? There are another five episodes to learn from.
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Post by michaelnorris on Aug 2, 2023 16:14:46 GMT
Something that AI might be able to tackle in the near future is recreating the missing information from skip-field video and field-suppressed film telerecordings. I can imagine a human artist doing a decent job on a single frame, but it might take days, and there's thousand of frames on a reel. There's also the problem of the occasional out-of-phase film inserts that have double images, which hasn't been cracked yet as far as I know. I think there are some good technologies out there that could be applied to this that I am tempted to play with. For video games NVIDIA already has technologies that allow for on the fly upscaling and frame generation, so I would love to try to point my graphics card at some 8mm fan recordings and see what can be done. Maybe a fun software project to work on...
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Post by timmunton on Aug 2, 2023 17:13:53 GMT
There's also the problem of the occasional out-of-phase film inserts that have double images, which hasn't been cracked yet as far as I know. Good point. I've asked once or twice if any progress has been made in this area but no one responded so I assumed, as you're saying, that the problem's not solved. It would be great if it does become fixable soon. I remember it has those double images in at least one non-studio scene in "The Invasion" & maybe on other Who episodes too. Be nice if technology can fix this before the eventual Series 6 blu ray Collection!
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Post by andrewfrostick on Aug 2, 2023 18:23:31 GMT
Would be fun if they could use Ai to do anything with the telesnaps from Feast of Steven. I think we can safely say that’s never coming back, so what’s to lose? Even in the current uncanny valley state these Ai estimations are no odder than some of the poor animations. A couple more years and it should be far more accurate.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 2, 2023 18:40:23 GMT
Would be fun if they could use Ai to do anything with the telesnaps from Feast of Steven. I think we can safely say that’s never coming back, so what’s to lose? Even in the current uncanny valley state these Ai estimations are no odder than some of the poor animations. A couple more years and it should be far more accurate. There are no telesnaps from FoS.
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Post by cameron seams on Aug 2, 2023 19:10:12 GMT
Would be fun if they could use Ai to do anything with the telesnaps from Feast of Steven. I think we can safely say that’s never coming back, so what’s to lose? Even in the current uncanny valley state these Ai estimations are no odder than some of the poor animations. A couple more years and it should be far more accurate. technically they aren't telesnaps but i'm sure something could be done, might even be able to do even more if someone used frames from Z-Cars episodes to helo fill in the police scene a bit too
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Post by John Wall on Aug 2, 2023 19:13:34 GMT
Would be fun if they could use Ai to do anything with the telesnaps from Feast of Steven. I think we can safely say that’s never coming back, so what’s to lose? Even in the current uncanny valley state these Ai estimations are no odder than some of the poor animations. A couple more years and it should be far more accurate. technically they aren't telesnaps but i'm sure something could be done, might even be able to do even more if someone used frames from Z-Cars episodes to helo fill in the police scene a bit too Here’s the list of telesnaps missingepisodes.blogspot.com/p/tele-snaps.htmlI dunno what visual material survives from FoS.
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