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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 16:47:24 GMT
True, we've no evidence to say he's a liar - but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth. I think we're all just sitting on the fence here. and I guess that's better than having no fence at all, at the end of the day. What do you mean "we've" no evidence to say he's a liar? Who else on here is using the word liar? Only one. Please don't associate the rest of us with that strong word. Nobody else on here is saying we're calling him a liar, so keep us out of it, thank you very much. "but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth". 9 missing eps is evidence plenty. He has DONE THIS. But you are basically saying if you don't want to consider that as evidence, then that gives one licence to use the word liar.
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Post by anthonybartley on Jun 10, 2023 20:12:27 GMT
True, we've no evidence to say he's a liar - but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth. I think we're all just sitting on the fence here. and I guess that's better than having no fence at all, at the end of the day. What do you mean "we've" no evidence to say he's a liar? Who else on here is using the word liar? Only one. Please don't associate the rest of us with that strong word. Nobody else on here is saying we're calling him a liar, so keep us out of it, thank you very much. "but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth". 9 missing eps is evidence plenty. He has DONE THIS. But you are basically saying if you don't want to consider that as evidence, then that gives one licence to use the word liar. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or lumping anyone with any group, just to clarify. I apologise if it came across that way. I meant we as in 'us' - as in the users of this forum - and I believe it is correct that the members of this forum have no evidence to say he is a liar. it's a bit strange though, the chances of the Jos find were slim to none, surely a combination of a lot of hard work and heavy dose of luck. And now we're expecting him to do it again? When you put it like that, it does sound a bit unlikely, doesn't it?
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Post by lousingh on Jun 10, 2023 20:22:24 GMT
For goodness’ sakes! So my thread gets locked and someone creates another. There are no missing episodes out there, certainly none we the fans/ public will be given back. Move on and hope for animations or something instead. Morris is a liar There is no need to slander Phil Morris. He has given an immense amount of time and money to recovering missing episodes. On that information alone, he deserves far better regard than you are giving him. As a collector myself (Beatles memorabilia), I understand the mentality of people who may have missing episodes. The behaviour that Phil Morris and Paul Vanezis ascribe to the purported holders of missing episodes is entirely consistent with the behaviour of myself and my fellow collectors, to say nothing of known behaviour of collectors in the art world. If I were you, I would give Phil and Paul a great benefit of the doubt because they have earnt it.
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 20:28:48 GMT
What do you mean "we've" no evidence to say he's a liar? Who else on here is using the word liar? Only one. Please don't associate the rest of us with that strong word. Nobody else on here is saying we're calling him a liar, so keep us out of it, thank you very much. "but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth". 9 missing eps is evidence plenty. He has DONE THIS. But you are basically saying if you don't want to consider that as evidence, then that gives one licence to use the word liar. I'm not accusing anyone of anything or lumping anyone with any group, just to clarify. I apologise if it came across that way. I meant we as in 'us' - as in the users of this forum - and I believe it is correct that the members of this forum have no evidence to say he is a liar. it's a bit strange though, the chances of the Jos find were slim to none, surely a combination of a lot of hard work and heavy dose of luck. And now we're expecting him to do it again? When you put it like that, it does sound a bit unlikely, doesn't it? Apolgies, too, Anthony for my earlier bullishness, but the poster calling the person who gave us 9 missing eps a liar earlier got my back up. I cannot understand why people just cannot wait for the end of the journey. I can understand Mr Morris's silence after the Web 3 incident, clearly this is why he has chosen to remain tight-lipped about his on-going investigations and reveal the full details of his search once it has concluded. At least I can understand that. Some fans don't like it when they don't get what they want, when they want it - like now - and that's when patience runs out and insults are thrown at PM. But it is totally unjustified. No-one is entitled, surely, to whatever he finds in future?
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Post by lousingh on Jun 10, 2023 20:37:51 GMT
True, we've no evidence to say he's a liar - but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth. I think we're all just sitting on the fence here. and I guess that's better than having no fence at all, at the end of the day. The behaviour ascribed to the purported collectors by Phil and Paul is entirely consistent with that of myself and my fellow collectors. Given the credibility that they have accumulated over the years and my knowledge of how collectors who own something unique behave, I expect they are giving us an incomplete truth because any more information would jeopardise the probability of their return. I have posted in other threads why I believe their story.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jun 11, 2023 8:18:00 GMT
True, we've no evidence to say he's a liar - but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth. I think we're all just sitting on the fence here. and I guess that's better than having no fence at all, at the end of the day. The behaviour ascribed to the purported collectors by Phil and Paul is entirely consistent with that of myself and my fellow collectors. Given the credibility that they have accumulated over the years and my knowledge of how collectors who own something unique behave, I expect they are giving us an incomplete truth because any more information would jeopardise the probability of their return. I have posted in other threads why I believe their story. Agreed. As a very rare record collector I have had and still own unique items. It doesnt mean that we all squirrel it away, there is sometimes an element of boasting and showing things off to a select circle. Not a all hard core collectors are like that. I was happy for my items to be used in displays and museums. I am far more likely to believe that anything that Mr Vanezis says than Mr Morris, mainly because of his past behaviour. However, he may surprise us all and turn up some special treats for the Autumn.I can understand the frustration of it all, so many of the series cast and us older original fans are running out of time...
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Jun 11, 2023 9:17:15 GMT
A better title for this thread would have been something like "Mirror story on missing episodes" rather than repeating a headline that could raise expectations unnecessarily (however briefly).
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Post by mattg on Jun 11, 2023 9:28:03 GMT
…well that all escalated rather quickly!
As an average fan I’ve also criticised Phil Morris plenty of times in the past for his often infuriating antics. Nevertheless I’d stop short of denouncing him as a ‘liar’, at least not in the malicious/slanderous sense. Certainly Phil will have told a few ‘fibs’ in his time no doubt but likely only for the best of reasons (i.e. to protect a line of enquiry, potential source, etc). Point is he’s always been careful to avoid making explicit statements and instead contented himself promulgating numerous cryptically vague assertions. Dubious behaviour perhaps but hardly worthy of the epithet of ‘liar’.
Regardless, given that 2023 is obviously Doctor Who’s 60th anniversary it surely stands to reason that something special is afoot. It would of course be wonderful if more missing material really was that ‘something special’ but the earlier rumour of further animations seems more credible in the circumstances.
Whatever the truth there is one piece of ‘evidence’ (if only circumstantial) that’s encouraging: the Beeb have remained curiously silent with announcing the next ‘…The Collection Blu Ray box set. This might be because space has been made in the release schedule for something else…
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Post by barneyhall on Jun 11, 2023 11:23:37 GMT
A better title for this thread would have been something like "Mirror story on missing episodes" rather than repeating a headline that could raise expectations unnecessarily (however briefly). This it really needs changing
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jun 11, 2023 11:27:20 GMT
I had an American friend messaging me at 4AM last night, asking him why I never told him more episodes had been found. I dont't get it, cause he's NEVER been suckered in like that before.
I learned a LOT in the past few years, including a run-in with an episode of the Daleks that to this day I STILL regret terribly, to know that there's only a key number of people I trust when it comes to the missing episode situation, most of them are in charge of this forum.
If new episodes are found, they'll be the ones to tell us. Not the Mirror.
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Post by sonnybh on Jun 11, 2023 14:25:21 GMT
When first started getting into Dr Who in a big way in the 1990s, & learnt about the missing episodes I was sure every avenue had been tried, so the finding of The Lion seemed amazing at the time.
The other episodes found before the ones in Jos also seemed like nothing short of a miracle, so let's keep calm about things for the moment.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 11, 2023 17:35:56 GMT
What worries me, you know, is that I imagine someone thinking of giving something back, reading a lot of negativity on here and deciding, "Well, I shan't bother then".
So, take me for a ride again if that's what you're doing, but I still won't say anything but give thanks and encouragement because I'd rather put up with endless disappointment than put off a genuine recovery.
Richard
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jun 11, 2023 22:12:38 GMT
I trust PM and PV completely as to the existence of 6 missing episodes in the hands of private collectors. The fact that they're being so brazen about it and not contradicting each other means that they have the trust of these individuals and have probably given them assurances that there will be no backlash or abuse towards them by certain sections of fandom once their identities become known or perhaps even kept anonymous.The only downside will be the ensuing and tiresome media circus that will result-the private screening,the embargo (a word I only associate with the oil crisis of the mid 70s!) and their premier at 2.30 in the morning on iTunes.Also the rush-released vanilla DVD release followed by a SE some 30 years later...Gone are the days of a quarter page footnote in the Gallifrey Guardian section of DR WHO MONTHLY!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jun 12, 2023 7:09:35 GMT
I trust PM and PV completely as to the existence of 6 missing episodes in the hands of private collectors. You trust PM completely, but PV only thinks 2 or 3? Quantum math?
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Post by andyparting on Jun 12, 2023 7:12:35 GMT
I trust PM and PV completely as to the existence of 6 missing episodes in the hands of private collectors. You trust PM completely, but PV only thinks 2 or 3? Quantum math? Have you considered that PV's 2 or 3 are different episodes to PM's 6? Not the same film collectors? Then there are the 17 missing episodes held to ransom in the Middle East.
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