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Post by Stephen Neve on Jun 10, 2023 9:40:40 GMT
Phil Morris just needs to shut up. What he is doing is cruel. There is no point in teasing I know about missing episodes in private hands unless there is a serious chance of them ever coming back.
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Post by anthonybartley on Jun 10, 2023 10:08:56 GMT
I don't mean to be a doomsayer, but what exactly has changed? We've known for many years now that 'they' know some episodes are in collectors' hands.
" in Bedfordshire he promised to try and retrieve the episodes"
Doesn't translate to me as "we've made a breakthrough! Progress!". Nothing has changed.
Given the high profile attention someone would get from returning an episode (you know, front page news on some rag, a BBC article, maybe a mention on the news on the telly, an afternoon chat show slot, etc) I remain incredibly sceptical that there are any episodes knowingly in private hands. It just makes very little sense at this point.
So the owners prefer to keep a low profile? Don't want the attention? Then we're talking about someone humble, modest even - again, hardly the psychological profile of a 'hoarder' - quite the opposite, I'd say.
Not a single scrap of audio, not a single frame of film, not even a shot of some dusty old film reels - all things that could be shown without anyone being forced to sell or do anything with what they have. Yet we've seen zero evidence so far. I would have had more faith in this story if we'd seen little scraps of something peeking out through the cracks over the years - but we really haven't.
Deep down, like many others here, I do actually enjoy these threads every now and then, but I (very much) lean towards, let's be grateful for what we do have.
If there's more, let it be something concrete rather than endless speculation.
(on the other hand, I did also enjoy creating the Ghanaian Kebab Shop Omni Rumour - now I just need some dumb tabloid journalist to roll with it. Clearly the wind is blowing in the right direction.)
Or maybe we're missing the bigger picture here? The idea behind this story about missing episodes in private hands is merely a hoax to coax other people to come forward - and with the story popping up in the media, there's a much higher chance of someone coming forward with something.
Is that the real point behind all this? If so, then it still has my full support. I guess it boils down to "why not?" It's certainly better than doing nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 10:29:40 GMT
For goodness’ sakes! So my thread gets locked and someone creates another.
There are no missing episodes out there, certainly none we the fans/ public will be given back.
Move on and hope for animations or something instead. Morris is a liar
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Jun 10, 2023 11:03:23 GMT
I don't know if you get over excited or just can't help yourself. Nothing had been confirmed recovered they've been suggested they know someone has them but that's a long way off a recovery. Sorry, it's just that it's been 10 years since a missing episode had been found and the chances of finding any more missing episodes seems to get slimer every year.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Jun 10, 2023 11:05:06 GMT
I don't know if you get over excited or just can't help yourself. Nothing had been confirmed recovered they've been suggested they know someone has them but that's a long way off a recovery. The restoration team have known about some episodes with private collectors a long time if they don't want to give them up they won't. I'm just tired if seeing the same rumours cause the same circles of conversations. And why do you keep bringing up NDA's someone who works extensively in the dvd and blu ray releases had already told you it doesn't really work like that. It's like you only hear (and then repeat in about 3 new threads) what you want to hear and conviently miss the bits you don't like or don't want to hear. The man seems to know something we don't. Which is why I asked. I don't know anything about any what's currently going on between Philip or Paul and don't try to acuse me of ill-itent, I will not tolerate it.
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Post by simonashby on Jun 10, 2023 11:34:17 GMT
The man seems to know something we don't. Which is why I asked. I don't know anything about any what's currently going on between Philip or Paul and don't try to acuse me of ill-itent, I will not tolerate it. Please consider what you write before you send it. In the same post you state that you don't want a repeat of the omnirumor and go on to report rumour as fact. If anything isn't going to be tolerated here, it's that. It's just going to get threads locked - and for good reason. I'm not a mod or admin or anything here, but we can see the emotion in posts already creeping out already and it almost invariably spirals.
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 11:44:40 GMT
Phil Morris just needs to shut up. What he is doing is cruel. There is no point in teasing I know about missing episodes in private hands unless there is a serious chance of them ever coming back. I don't believe he's teasing. He is mentioning it after the fact of securing them. One could not raise this fact, mid-negotations, after all look what has happened now - the private collectors are splashed all over the headlines of a rag.
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 11:47:19 GMT
For goodness’ sakes! So my thread gets locked and someone creates another. There are no missing episodes out there, certainly none we the fans/ public will be given back. Move on and hope for animations or something instead. Morris is a liar Sir, you cannot call someone a liar like that. And not without proof. You speak of threads being locked. Carry on in this ludicrous manner, soiling someone's good name and we shall all be locked out.
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 11:53:35 GMT
The man seems to know something we don't. Which is why I asked. I don't know anything about any what's currently going on between Philip or Paul and don't try to acuse me of ill-itent, I will not tolerate it. There is no ill intent intended (no pun intended). But you struck me as speaking with an air of insighfulness which inspired me to enquire. Now you appear to be backpedaling, as one going off a cliff? I was about to ask you what you knew of the Middle East hostage situation, with 17 missing episodes held to ransom. Why wasn't this mentioned at Utopia? Have they been secured? Or is it a case of NDAs?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jun 10, 2023 12:35:52 GMT
For goodness’ sakes! So my thread gets locked and someone creates another. There are no missing episodes out there, certainly none we the fans/ public will be given back. Move on and hope for animations or something instead. Morris is a liar Sir, you cannot call someone a liar like that. And not without proof. You speak of threads being locked. Carry on in this ludicrous manner, soiling someone's good name and we shall all be locked out. He has not returned anymore episodes, there is your proof. How much longer do we put up with this bullshit, 10 more years of wind blowing in the right direction. This man has duped a lot of people. ]
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 12:42:36 GMT
Sir, you cannot call someone a liar like that. And not without proof. You speak of threads being locked. Carry on in this ludicrous manner, soiling someone's good name and we shall all be locked out. He has not returned anymore episodes, there is your proof. How much longer do we put up with this bullshit, 10 more years of wind blowing in the right direction. This man has duped a lot of people. ] Just becuase it has taken 10 years is not grounds to call something BS or accuse one of lying. It could take 20 years but as it stands it's not over until the fat lady sings. Meanwhile, in the waiting, there us no call here for any of us to throw our toys out of the pram, cussing or name-calling.
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Post by deanreynolds on Jun 10, 2023 13:27:34 GMT
Sir, you cannot call someone a liar like that. And not without proof. You speak of threads being locked. Carry on in this ludicrous manner, soiling someone's good name and we shall all be locked out. He has not returned anymore episodes, there is your proof. How much longer do we put up with this bullshit, 10 more years of wind blowing in the right direction. This man has duped a lot of people. ] Damn, you Doctor Who fans don't half get yourselves riled up. Although I appreciate DW, I am not what you would call a die-hard fan. But even I can see there's a level of ungratefullness from some fans. PM returned episodes that would otherwise remain lost. The fact that he is even stating that others exist in private hands should be something to rejoice over, for the sheer fact that they are in existence. As a Dad's Army fan, I would be thrilled if I knew the missing episodes were in private hands, for the simple fact that they exist. Just be happy people want to discuss things. If you don't want to partake in the conversation, then don't reply. Its that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 14:39:06 GMT
He has not returned anymore episodes, there is your proof. How much longer do we put up with this bullshit, 10 more years of wind blowing in the right direction. This man has duped a lot of people. ] Damn, you Doctor Who fans don't half get yourselves riled up. Although I appreciate DW, I am not what you would call a die-hard fan. But even I can see there's a level of ungratefullness from some fans. PM returned episodes that would otherwise remain lost. The fact that he is even stating that others exist in private hands should be something to rejoice over, for the sheer fact that they are in existence. As a Dad's Army fan, I would be thrilled if I knew the missing episodes were in private hands, for the simple fact that they exist. Just be happy people want to discuss things. If you don't want to partake in the conversation, then don't reply. Its that simple. Absolutely agree in regards to the episodes he has returned. Forever grateful for my fav Troughton story Enemy of the World and Web of Fear may be in my top 10 Classic Stories. Masterpieces, for that I cannot thank him enough. But if he is lying then why bother? He’s a legend for returning those episodes so why keep going on about other episodes just to stay in the headlines? He gave us something incredible and won’t be forgotten but he’s kind of ruining his legacy now with all the lies for an ENTIRE decade haha. Never-mind, If you want to keep believing him then power to you but I’m just grateful we have what we have
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Post by andyparting on Jun 10, 2023 15:50:29 GMT
Damn, you Doctor Who fans don't half get yourselves riled up. Although I appreciate DW, I am not what you would call a die-hard fan. But even I can see there's a level of ungratefullness from some fans. PM returned episodes that would otherwise remain lost. The fact that he is even stating that others exist in private hands should be something to rejoice over, for the sheer fact that they are in existence. As a Dad's Army fan, I would be thrilled if I knew the missing episodes were in private hands, for the simple fact that they exist. Just be happy people want to discuss things. If you don't want to partake in the conversation, then don't reply. Its that simple. Absolutely agree in regards to the episodes he has returned. Forever grateful for my fav Troughton story Enemy of the World and Web of Fear may be in my top 10 Classic Stories. Masterpieces, for that I cannot thank him enough. But if he is lying then why bother? He’s a legend for returning those episodes so why keep going on about other episodes just to stay in the headlines? He gave us something incredible and won’t be forgotten but he’s kind of ruining his legacy now with all the lies for an ENTIRE decade haha. Never-mind, If you want to keep believing him then power to you but I’m just grateful we have what we have You have no grounds, no evidence to even speculate 'why he is lying'. A decade wait does not prove someone is a liar. It's pointless saying you are grateful - after the fact of calling him a liar/lying.
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Post by anthonybartley on Jun 10, 2023 16:05:37 GMT
True, we've no evidence to say he's a liar - but we've also had no evidence to confirm he's telling the truth.
I think we're all just sitting on the fence here.
and I guess that's better than having no fence at all, at the end of the day.
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