Season 8 Pertwee Collection Blu-Ray problems?

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Hello,

Does anyone know why there is black crush on the Season 8 Blu-Ray set?

I have a good Blu ray player and a top of the range 4K OLED TV but in season 8 in particular, there’s a certain amount of black crush.

It seems to just be with the some of the Pertwee stuff mainly season 8. Off the top of my head you get it in mostly darker scenes where if you look at Pertwee’s body you can see the black changing (almost looks like it’s moving around). I don’t know why it’s getting the black crush is this just due to what it was filmed with back then so there’s nothing that can be done but if that’s the case then why don’t I seem to see much if any in Tom Baker’s era.

I can’t remember precisely which stories but I think it’s several scenes in most of the stories. I seem to recall the Daemons having these problems.

Any insight would be much appreciated?

[Richard Bignell]

May 10, 2023 7:20:02 GMT @jakeymanipod said:

I don’t know why it’s getting the black crush is this just due to what it was filmed with back then so there’s nothing that can be done but if that’s the case then why don’t I seem to see much if any in Tom Baker’s era.

Bear in mind, you’re not comparing like-for-like here.

The Tom Baker episodes all come from the original broadcast videotapes. With the vast majority of Season 8, they’re not, but rather are coming from cleaned-up and VidFIREd 16mm b/w film recordings that have had the colour from the NTSC versions reapplied.

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May 10, 2023 7:58:46 GMT Richard Bignell said:

May 10, 2023 7:20:02 GMT @jakeymanipod said:

I don’t know why it’s getting the black crush is this just due to what it was filmed with back then so there’s nothing that can be done but if that’s the case then why don’t I seem to see much if any in Tom Baker’s era.

Bear in mind, you’re not comparing like-for-like here.

The Tom Baker episodes all come from the original broadcast videotapes. With the vast majority of Season 8, they’re not, but rather are coming from cleaned-up and VidFIREd 16mm b/w film recordings that have had the colour from the NTSC versions reapplied.

I’m aware but that wouldn’t create the black crush would it?

From what I can recall of 1960’s Who which is all black and white I can’t really remember any black crush.

I think Mind of Evil in season 8 had a fair bit of black crush even during the lighter scenes including when Jo was sat next to the bed it was really noticeable

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Though that’s colour noise not black crush for the scene in Mind of Evil I’m referring to there

[andyparting]

Black Crush is a cocktail

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May 10, 2023 14:12:15 GMT andyparting said:

Black Crush is a cocktail

Thanks Andy!

[Frank Shailes]

Does turning down brightness and contrast help at all? It might make it less noticeable.

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May 11, 2023 9:29:56 GMT Frank Shailes said:

Does turning down brightness and contrast help at all? It might make it less noticeable.

There are ways to make it less noticeable but then it can affect the rest of the image and I wouldn’t want to ruin everything else over that.

I’ve forgotten what it’s called on my TV but it can almost get rid of it, it’s just when you turn it up to an amount that really works it loses a lot of detail elsewhere which is not worth it

[Jim Exley]

I seem to have failed to notice these problems - while not denying they exist - on the grounds that considering the source materials they're probably as good as they ever can be!

I've noticed as I got into upgrading hi-fi gear that although improving the overall sound it also brings the warts into better focus and I reckon the same for the kind of AV equipment we're using now compared to the '70s. Things can appear to crack up a bit on 50" TVs when recorded at a time when 26" was gargantuan. For my own TV I find the temptation to overuse the available digital processing has a tendency to degrade rather than improve the results, although the noise reduction is spectacular when used on a VHS source.