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Post by Christopher Perry on Oct 26, 2006 8:20:56 GMT
Hello
The search engine that Andy refers to is generated by us.
We have tried to include all references to missing TV that we know, and also indicate all returns.
However, this is done purely from us being told what is returned by either the collector or TV company.
Nobody in the NFTVA has told us anything about Hurricane, Boyd QC or Sierra Nine being returned. I have now duly included info on the latter two so that when we next update the db they will show as being existing.
However, I do not know what 'Hurricane' is so perhaps someone can enlighten me?
One thing that the ITV raiders of the lost archives campaign is going to do, is publish lists of stuff that has been returned and make clips available for broadcasters to re-screen, because we recognise that it is a problem finding out what is returned sometimes.
For every high profile return like Dr Who there are 20-30 items that slip back into TV companies every year without any fuss.
I was at ITV only yesterday and found 2 missing edtions of LWT's The Saturday Crowd from 1969, misfiled on a shelf, but no one would know they were missing and found unless I told you now, because they are not high profile finds and were found internally.
I hope that helps.
Chris
ps can I also say the the A-R copyright holders also did not have those found A-R shows on their list of the A-R catalogue at the BFI either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 11:54:51 GMT
Can you possibly take a look at this crazy situation, Chris, whereby the BFI seem indifferent to taking copies of Andy's Rediffusion material (e.g. Jango etc.)? We all want to see this stuff returned and given exposure. Cheers.
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Post by KennyG on Oct 26, 2006 12:31:16 GMT
It certainly seems crazy especially in light of ITV's current appeal for programmes.
Incidentally, anyone who hasn't visited Andy's site should. It's incredibly interesting and I hope he keeps up updating it as regularly as he currently is.
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Post by Martin Ireland on Nov 6, 2006 12:36:18 GMT
I have spoken to my contact at the BFI about this. He says that there must have been some communication misunderstanding when you first offered this on loan.
Furthermore, the BFI would be delighted to hear from you again.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Nov 6, 2006 17:57:11 GMT
I am pleased to hear of this Associated Rediffusion Programme being found.
Dick Fiddy is certainly interested, and I am sure the ITV programme recovery project will be too.
The recovery project NEEDS every programme it can obtain.
Yours,
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Post by C Perry on Nov 6, 2006 18:50:11 GMT
Hi all
The NFTVA and/or the Raiders project would be delighted to receive any material from Andy.
If he would care to email me or Dick Fiddy we can arrange its safe return.
Chris
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Post by emitron on Nov 7, 2006 17:31:44 GMT
Thanks to everyone for their input. I don't actually value the Jango print as much as other films I found because there are prints that really do need faster help.
For example, I have a 1930s Dufaycolor commercial film that is probably the only print left and am far more concerned that the delicate colour might not last another ten years.
The films I have are no great secret and I had forwarded a list to the BFI years ago, once in paper and also by e-mail more than once. I can't actually understand why they weren't wanted then, but apparently are now.
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Post by LanceM on Nov 8, 2006 1:41:03 GMT
That is good news that the BFI are finally taking an interest in your films. I cant see why they would not want to look at your films that are missing. They have their Missing Believed Wiped initiative and can't be bothered by Jango or The Troubleshooters for example, very confusing. Let us know when your material is going to have a screening.
Lance.
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Post by emitron on Nov 8, 2006 12:49:06 GMT
That is good news that the BFI are finally taking an interest in your films. I cant see why they would not want to look at your films that are missing. They have their Missing Believed Wiped initiative and can't be bothered by Jango or The Troubleshooters for example, very confusing. Let us know when your material is going to have a screening. Lance. The Troubleshooters has nothing to do with this. My blog mentions it was screened by the BFI and returned to the NFA.
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Post by Martin Ireland on Nov 15, 2006 9:02:39 GMT
Now that we have established that the BFI are very keen to borrow this film, has contact been made yet with them to return it? Thanks.
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Post by Arthur C Brown on Nov 17, 2006 16:15:46 GMT
Is the lack of a response an implicit 'no', then?
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Post by emitron on Nov 17, 2006 18:28:25 GMT
I haven't heard any word from the BFI about this, but I do find it a bit unpleasant to get msgs on here from complete strangers pushing me for a response.
It does get my back up because the BFI had a complete list of my films over five or six years ago. I don't hold any secrets and haven't got another motive. Everything else is what people what to interpret themselves. Andrew Doherty is one of the few people on here with a positive attitude. I see people having a go at Chris Perry too in the "much as I like your efforts, you database has errors which I wish to mention" mode. Give the guy a break!
Fine if people are interested in the Jango print, but is that because of personal preference because it is a comedy show with a few famous names? In contrast, no one here is clamouring to see Door To Somewhere or Seven Deadly Sins.
I've already had two offers in private from people I've never heard of wanting to act as mediators in the return of the print!
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Post by C Perry on Nov 17, 2006 19:15:58 GMT
Hi Andy Many thanks for your kind words about me, I appreciate them. I will make you smile though, I would prefer to see the Seven Deadly Sins print in preference to Jango, I like the 2 I've seen before. I agree with your comments entirely about people should not 'encourage' you to return stuff unless you feel you want to. The BFI have known about your stuff for many years, and have not chased you from what I understand. After all these years, what you do with your material is entirely your business. From Kaleidoscope's perspective, we have some missing material we have offered to the BFI and Dick knows about it, but he hasn't asked us to return it. The Raiders team will have the material, and we will screen it next year at a special Raiders event. We will be at MBW 2006 and we will bring the film negs with us if Dick wants them, but no one has actually emailed us and said, "Can we have .... back please?" That kinda proactivity is rare, because the BFI do not have any internal telecine facilities to transfer the film so it costs them BIG money per print to clean and restore them, particularly if Jango is damaged, that would have to be repaired, more cost. Its not a case of the BFI turning stuff down, they are just realistic that they have no big budget to spend tracking down the past. Dick supports the find of any missing programme, but he knows where our stuff is, or yours Andy, if he needs it, so he doesn't feel the need to chase us, does he? Take care mate. Chris
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Post by R Fitzgerald on Nov 18, 2006 18:57:03 GMT
I was at ITV only yesterday and found 2 missing edtions of LWT's The Saturday Crowd from 1969, misfiled on a shelf, but no one would know they were missing and found unless I told you now, because they are not high profile finds and were found internally.
Out of curiousity Chris where is "at ITV" in this context? (I assume not the old LWT headquarters building on Upper Ground) Was this a film or VT recovery? And isn't this at least the third such "misfiled" recovery of early material from London Weekend, after Shaggy Dog and The Inside Man episodes?
It makes me wonder if other Wembley studios era LWT recordings could possibly be out there still ?
Richard Fitzgerald
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2006 22:12:20 GMT
Fine if people are interested in the Jango print, but is that because of personal preference because it is a comedy show with a few famous names? In contrast, no one here is clamouring to see Door To Somewhere or Seven Deadly Sins. I am! I've always listed SDS as one of those series i'd like to see again.They're both desirable items as far as i'm concerned and depressed that the BFI don't want to take copies.
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