Jango - AR 1961 - article about missing ep

[emitron]

I've written up an article about the 1961 Jango series. Short and sweet, just like the series. Might be of interest if you link whimsical comedy programmes. Link below:

lost-british-television.blogspot.com/

[Deleted]

So have you offered it to the NFTVA for copying, Andy? I'd personally love to have a chance to see this item. I've heard about this programme before now and as it's the only known episode it deserves to be back in the archives!

[emitron]

laurencepiper said:

So have you offered it to the NFTVA for copying, Andy? I'd personally love to have a chance to see this item. I've heard about this programme before now and as it's the only known episode it deserves to be back in the archives!

Absolutely, it was on a list of possibles for "Missing Believed Wiped" a good few years ago, but there was so much good material turning up for screening, it was never telecined.

[LanceM]

That is indeed a shame, it sounds vary interresting. Especially the story of its recovery. Did the collector have any other rare TV items in his collection that he did not sell ?

Lance.

[Martin Ireland]

Andy - are you saying that the BFI refused to Telecine it? That is not possible. They telecine any vintage programmes - they even take in obscure documentaries for telecine.

[Frank Wales]

The problem is, in large bureaucratic organisations like the BBC or NFTA, there are few good men/women, (like Andrew who comes here and does stirling work).
but the vast majority are there just for the job and have no interest in the material whatsoever.
Meeting the latter as a point of contact often leaves a collector totally deflated and wanting to retire back into their shell with all their material.

[emitron]

lancem said:

That is indeed a shame, it sounds vary interresting. Especially the story of its recovery. Did the collector have any other rare TV items in his collection that he did not sell ?

Lance.

Not that I'm aware of!

[emitron]

Martin said:

Andy - are you saying that the BFI refused to Telecine it? That is not possible. They telecine any vintage programmes - they even take in obscure documentaries for telecine.

You are a complete stranger to me and you have made a statement here which I am sorry to say I know from personal experience is incorrect. It isn't just my experience too, but that of other people who have offered material.

I do want to emphasise strongly that this in no way denigrates the BFI or what it does. There is no big drama to this because are varying reasons as to why some films might not be used or they might be useful for inclusion in a different years "Missing Believed Wiped". Each film is a special case. I completely appreciate that this is a sideline area which they may not have either the time or resources to divert to. They know people have the films and they are relatively safe.

Again, I shall mention that staff appearing at "Missing Believed Wiped" give up their Saturday for the event. I personally know that Steve Bryant and Dick Fiddy worked extremely hard to make that event possible on a yearly basis. They have also have dug out an impressive array of material which many of the fans attending take for granted. They don't get much thanks for it either. Both they and all the staff who work for the BFI deserve a pat on the back, but you rarely hear praise on the internet.

[Martin Ireland]

Andy, I have offered the BFI (on loan) about 15 old ITV films, mainly documantaries, over the past few years. They have copied more than ten of them, refusing only those films they already have copies of. In return, I got my films back along with a telecine copy, and I have been very pleased with all of the BFI people I have dealt with.

I am therefore CONVINCED that someone offering them a loan of Jango would have had an instant 'yes,please' from the BFI at any time in the past few years.

Are you seriously saying that you tried to lend it to them but they refused? Impossible, I say again!

[emitron]

Martin said:

Andy, I have offered the BFI (on loan) about 15 old ITV films, mainly documantaries, over the past few years. They have copied more than ten of them, refusing only those films they already have copies of. In return, I got my films back along with a telecine copy, and I have been very pleased with all of the BFI people I have dealt with.

I am therefore CONVINCED that someone offering them a loan of Jango would have had an instant 'yes,please' from the BFI at any time in the past few years.

Are you seriously saying that you tried to lend it to them but they refused? Impossible, I say again!

Impossible? Without getting rude or personal in this, are you suggesting I'm lying or making this up?

I had an e-mail this morning from a fairly well known person who (and I won't break confidence) told me about a couple of films which had been offered recently, but the NFTVA weren't apparently intererested.

[Martin Ireland]

Just looked on the BFI database - unless I have read it wrong, they have this series on film. This might explain why they declined your offer of a loan.

[emitron]

Martin said:

Just looked on the BFI database - unless I have read it wrong, they have this series on film. This might explain why they declined your offer of a loan.

You haven't read it wrong, but that database lists things like all six episodes of "The Quatermass Experiment" or "A for Andromeda" and many other shows which weren't recorded or are wiped.

If staff were using this as a guide to holdings then quite a lot of material would be being turned away!

Try this Kaleidoscope search guide:

www.lostshows.com/

[Bill]

Andy,

This search guide also lists things missing like Sierra Nine "Elixir of Life Part 2", Boyd QC "Open and Shut Case" "Hurricane". All stated as missing on the lost shows search engine. How are people supposed to use this site, when the information provided is far from factual. The same issue can be seen in the BBC new online archives which states things like all episodes of A for Andromeda exist, if only that were so, but it is certainly not. People need to check their information before stating it as fact for others to draw conclusions from.

Bill.

[emitron]

Bill said:

Andy,

This search guide also lists things missing like Sierra Nine "Elixir of Life Part 2", Boyd QC "Open and Shut Case" "Hurricane". All stated as missing on the lost shows search engine. How are people supposed to use this site, when the information provided is far from factual. The same issue can be seen in the BBC new online archives which states things like all episodes of A for Andromeda exist, if only that were so, but it is certainly not. People need to check their information before stating it as fact for others to draw conclusions from.

Bill.

I don't understand this Bill, draw conclusions from what? Can you explain further.

[h hartley]

Quite frankly with regards to TV, the BFI site should be indicating the material it does have rather than being another IMDB