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Post by Rob Moss on Oct 9, 2023 19:48:04 GMT
It’s worth pointing out that people were far more likely to pinch 16mm film prints than 2” VT spools for the simple reason that virtually nobody would have had the means to play 2” VT, whereas 16mm projectors were all over the place.
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Post by sonnybh on Oct 9, 2023 20:25:47 GMT
When did KCET or other stations last screen those episodes? I did wonder if any off-air recordings survive.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 9, 2023 20:35:34 GMT
When did KCET or other stations last screen those episodes? I did wonder if any off-air recordings survive. KCET last played the Time-Life package of Pertwee in 1977. The Daemons was last shown in June 1978 in Pennsylvania, The Mind of Evil in August 1978 in Ohio. The final screening of any Pertwees in the 70s was on the cable station Qube, with the last screening of Inferno in January 1979. |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 11, 2023 4:13:32 GMT
Wow, less than a year after the first Tom Baker episodes aired.
I hadn't realised that the later Pertwees vanished so fast and so completely in the USA.
I could have sworn that WNED in Niagara Falls played some season 11 as late as summer 1979. I guess the memory does cheat!
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Post by michaelnorris on Oct 11, 2023 16:12:48 GMT
Wow, less than a year after the first Tom Baker episodes aired. I hadn't realised that the later Pertwees vanished so fast and so completely in the USA. I could have sworn that WNED in Niagara Falls played some season 11 as late as summer 1979. I guess the memory does cheat! Here is the research put together by Jon Preddle on WNED if you are curious broadwcast.org/index.php/Buffalo |
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Post by markperry on Oct 13, 2023 6:51:23 GMT
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Post by lousingh on Oct 13, 2023 16:50:13 GMT
Wow, less than a year after the first Tom Baker episodes aired. I hadn't realised that the later Pertwees vanished so fast and so completely in the USA. I could have sworn that WNED in Niagara Falls played some season 11 as late as summer 1979. I guess the memory does cheat! Here is the research put together by Jon Preddle on WNED if you are curious broadwcast.org/index.php/BuffaloThe best example of "out of order" was running "Genesis of the Daleks" right before "The Invasion of Time." Also, the first run of seasons 12-15 were edited to run in 22 minutes and were narrated by Howard DaSilva. I remember how shocked my siblings and I were at how long Part One of "Genesis of the Daleks" was when we saw it on TVOntario. |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 14, 2023 15:33:58 GMT
I could have sworn that WNED in Niagara Falls played some season 11 as late as summer 1979. I guess the memory does cheat! Here is the research put together by Jon Preddle on WNED if you are curious broadwcast.org/index.php/BuffaloYes, I've seen that. And unfortunately there's no data between May 1978 and September 1979. I've done a bit of checking in The Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail for that period, and haven't seen any episodes listed. I'd assumed they started Tom Baker in Fall 1978 like the rest of North America; but what I remember is surprise seeing that TV listings were showing Pertwee still ... so it must be after 1978. But the memory does cheat. I wonder if there is a TV Guide archive somewhere. |
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 17, 2023 19:07:03 GMT
Although the wiped NTSC prints may be gone, we do have the Betamax copies. While all Pertwee prints have 16mm (or even some 35mm) copies, not all have surviving PAL color prints. Some of the color only survive via NTSC copies made in the 1970s for sale to the US and Canada. Some of those survive only in off-air Betamax recordings of the NTSC prints, thus at a second remove from the original PAL. This is why we have the RSC method and the D3 color restoration method, respectively, to restore the prints back to the original PAL.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 17, 2023 22:35:02 GMT
Although the wiped NTSC prints may be gone, we do have the Betamax copies. While all Pertwee prints have 16mm (or even some 35mm) copies, not all have surviving PAL color prints. Some of the color only survive via NTSC copies made in the 1970s for sale to the US and Canada. Some of those survive only in off-air Betamax recordings of the NTSC prints, thus at a second remove from the original PAL. This is why we have the RSC method and the D3 color restoration method, respectively, to restore the prints back to the original PAL. Very mixed up terminology. |
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Post by sonnybh on Oct 18, 2023 14:16:31 GMT
I know Ian Levine managed to get an American friend to record some of the KCET screenings using an NTSC Betamax VCR.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 18, 2023 15:03:45 GMT
I know Ian Levine managed to get an American friend to record some of the KCET screenings using an NTSC Betamax VCR. That friend was Tom Lundie and he made off-air color recordings of The Silurians, Terror of the Autons and The Daemons. Thanks to him and Ian, we have the D3 Color Restoration to pair the color signal for the Betamax tapes with the B&W 16mm prints and reconstruct the Color PAL the episodes were originally recorded on. He also made off-air recordings of both Ambassadors of Death and The Mind of Evil, but the Ambassadors tapes had too much color banding to the point that only all of Episode 5 and parts of episodes 2, 3, 4, and 6 could be recolorized until the Chroma Dot Recovery Process was mature enough to recolorize the rest of the footage. Unfortunately, the tapes of The Mind of Evil were recorded over, and only a small portion of Episode 6 remained in color. We had to wait until the Chroma Dot Recovery Process was mature enough to recolorize episodes 2-6 with episode 1 requiring manual colorization. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 19, 2023 23:31:04 GMT
There was more than one Betamax recording of "The Daemons" made in October 1977. The late Eric Hoffman a long time friend of mine acquired the original Betamax tape of that story back in the early 1980's. I know as he made me my own VHS copy of it back in 1982 when I was the tender age of 18.
And I have no idea of the status of that original recording Eric passed a way when there was a fire in his home in Southern California a few years back. Having visited his apartment back in the 80's I can tell you he was quite a collector of all types of things. He even had a 16mm print of episode three of "Dalek Invasion of Earth" that he bought at a convention in the USA in the late 1970's. He spotted it all tied up with rubber bands as it had been removed from its metal spool and was simply labeled with a small piece of paper "Dr. Who". So he bought it thinking it might have been a film from one of the Peter Cushing movies and only found out when he was able to get it put on a metal spool and played on a projector (which he happened to own) that it was a William Hartnell episode.
As for the airings of the Pertwee episodes in Los Angeles. I was 12 when they started in July 1975. KCET aired them in the same manner as the BBC did (one episode a week) They ran all of season 7 twice, two story's from season 8 once but held back the repeats of "Terror of the Autons", "Claws of Axos" and "The Daemons" till the fall of 1977 when they aired all of the season 9 stories twice an the movie format. They also aired there repeat of "Terror of the Autons" on a Saturday at 1 pm (going up against a world series game between the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers that was being played at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles (ensuring it a practically a zero rating) I was even not watching Dr. Who that day as I was rooting for the Dodgers. Eric hated baseball and no doubt saw the broadcast. They also repeated in the same time slot "Claws of Axos" which Eric also acquired the original Betamax tape of from the same source who he had tape "The Daemons" for him. Interestingly enough there was no interest at all in the original recording of "Claws of Axos" back then. He gave me a copy of that one as well. This is why KCET no longer held its copies of "The Silurian's", "Ambassadors of Death", and "The Mind of Evil" they had used up there broadcast rights to those by 1976 and reused there own tapes for other programing. Now by the end of December 1977 KCET used up all of its broadcast rights to the 72 half hour episodes and dropped there series until December 1983.
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Post by tom rogers on Oct 19, 2023 23:53:48 GMT
<snip> As for the airings of the Pertwee episodes in Los Angeles. I was 12 when they started in July 1975. KCET aired them in the same manner as the BBC did (one episode a week) They ran all of season 7 twice, two story's from season 8 once but held back the repeats of "Terror of the Autons", "Claws of Axos" and "The Daemons" till the fall of 1977 when they aired all of the season 9 stories twice an the movie format. They also aired there repeat of "Terror of the Autons" on a Saturday at 1 pm (going up against a world series game between the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers that was being played at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles (ensuring it a practically a zero rating) I was even not watching Dr. Who that day as I was rooting for the Dodgers. Eric hated baseball and no doubt saw the broadcast. They also repeated in the same time slot "Claws of Axos" which Eric also acquired the original Betamax tape of from the same source who he had tape "The Daemons" for him. Interestingly enough there was no interest at all in the original recording of "Claws of Axos" back then. He gave me a copy of that one as well. This is why KCET no longer held its copies of "The Silurian's", "Ambassadors of Death", and "The Mind of Evil" they had used up there broadcast rights to those by 1976 and reused there own tapes for other programing. Now by the end of December 1977 KCET used up all of its broadcast rights to the 72 half hour episodes and dropped there series until December 1983. I lived in the Baltimore-Washington D.C. area in the 1970s and 1980s and the Pertwee episodes were not shown in either market (they were and remain completely distinct tv markets). They started with the Tom Baker package in late 1978 and re-ran that for some time. It then proceeded to Doctors 5 and 6. Around 1984/85 the first three Doctors finally were shown, not necessarily in proper order initially. All omnibus editions. Full serials were unknown there until the early 1990s. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 20, 2023 0:03:18 GMT
WTOP 9 a CBS affiliate aired the Jon Pertwee episodes in 1973 for a very short period of time before they vanished from the Washington DC market.
I drive between West Virginia and New York City once or twice a year and spend the night in the Navy Lodge on Joint Base Anacosta-Bolling (aka Bolling AFB & NAF Anacostia). The cable TV service on the base carry's the Washington DC local stations including PBS but no Baltimore TV stations with the exception or Maryland PBS. Now you can pick up the Baltimore stations clearly on the base with Rabit ears.
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