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Post by andyparting on Jan 1, 2023 21:41:24 GMT
A happy missing who year to everyone, and I have a question for 2023... and beyond?
How much time have we got left now, realistically, in terms of ever seeing any more missing Doctor Who?
I don't necessarily mean in terms of our respective ages and surving to the day of another recovery (if any), but the state of whatever film elements might still be out there, as yet undiscovered. Can that material survive for many more years?
Are we at the eleventh hour now, or has the eleventh hour long passed us?
Also valuable ex-tv industry contacts, engineers, and film collectors, they're not getting any younger. It makes the timeline left for recovery seem less and less...
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 1, 2023 21:51:38 GMT
The 11th hour has already passed as Philip Morris reported back in 2013/14.He'd been to African TV stations where material had just been destroyed.If Amy more exists then it's in Middle Eastern countries which are almost impenetrable and in the hands of private collectors who won't give up their copies. It's been 2 years since Philip Morris reported the existence of 6 missing episodes in private hands and nothing has come of it.This was during lockdown and I really don't think anything will be handed over for the 60th anniversary.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 2, 2023 6:47:56 GMT
Im still optimistic that we may see an episode or two later in the year during the 60th Anniversary. Ive never believed half of what Philip Morris has said, hes possibly constrained by agreements and possibly negotiations and has had to learn to say nothing, which he does now as opposed to years ago when he promised us the world. We have no idea what may have been happening behind the scenes and plus we have no idea what this massive haul in Melbourne may produce yet. We've managed this long waiting , a few more months wont hurt. There has been precious little finds as of late and if thats it, then I suppose we have to accept it.
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Post by andyparting on Jan 2, 2023 8:38:19 GMT
Im still optimistic that we may see an episode or two later in the year during the 60th Anniversary. Ive never believed half of what Philip Morris has said, hes possibly constrained by agreements and possibly negotiations and has had to learn to say nothing, which he does now as opposed to years ago when he promised us the world. We have no idea what may have been happening behind the scenes and plus we have no idea what this massive haul in Melbourne may produce yet. We've managed this long waiting , a few more months wont hurt. There has been precious little finds as of late and if thats it, then I suppose we have to accept it. A massive haul in Melbourne? Wow - that's really exciting news, Steve. Just as I'm beginning to give up hope. Maybe there's some other missing TV in that, too. Fingers crossed.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jan 2, 2023 8:40:55 GMT
Its been reported quite widely on this type of forum. The amounts of material is staggering and could take many many years before we have an inkling of what he may have had.
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Post by mattg on Jan 2, 2023 9:26:18 GMT
In terms of the odd missing episode still (allegedly) held in stubborn private collector hands then naturally it remains a waiting game - waiting for them to die off.
Is it callous, ruthless even, for me to say that? Perhaps but I’m just being realistic here. Thankfully collecting vintage film isn’t exactly known for being a youthful passion so time really is counting down fast for most of the collecting fraternity by this point!
As I’ve always maintained though if the identities of at least some of these collectors really are known to the likes of Phil Morris then the best he can do is to be pragmatic about it - and a little cynical. Specifically, befriend collectors’ other halves to instil into them the paramount importance of not casually throwing away their husbands’ cherished collections post death in order to ‘clear the attic’ or ‘empty the shed’…
Tragically that scenario plays out all too many times when a collector/enthusiast passes and I shudder to think what precious, irreplaceable material has been lost or destroyed over the years as a consequence…
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Post by andyparting on Jan 2, 2023 11:36:14 GMT
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Post by RWels on Jan 2, 2023 13:46:05 GMT
Time-wise that house in Melbourne is not really a huge chance for DW. There were a FEW open reel video tapes so with extreme luck there might be some DW on 625 line open reel video.
Last time DW was found on open reel, it just so happened to be the one episode already extant.
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Post by josephsenior on Jan 2, 2023 13:46:27 GMT
Well the BBC print can says Colony in Space, which is just the special effects tape. I doubt that they have a missing episode based on that an empty film cannister for a potential duplicate copy. Also would they have been labelled with dup on them? It is a little too good to be true
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Post by John Green on Jan 2, 2023 21:04:02 GMT
South Today (Southern TV's local news programme) used to have an astrologer on each year to seal his predictions for the new year into an envelope, to be retained for twelve months. I never actually saw any of these envelopes being opened. Might it be that professional fortune-tellers were as crap at predicting the future as amateurs?
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Post by John Wall on Jan 2, 2023 22:22:13 GMT
South Today (Southern TV's local news programme) used to have an astrologer on each year to seal his predictions for the new year into an envelope, to be retained for twelve months. I never actually saw any of these envelopes being opened. Might it be that professional fortune-tellers were as crap at predicting the future as amateurs? You might very well think that, I couldn’t possibly comment.
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Post by John Green on Jan 2, 2023 22:59:19 GMT
South Today (Southern TV's local news programme) used to have an astrologer on each year to seal his predictions for the new year into an envelope, to be retained for twelve months. I never actually saw any of these envelopes being opened. Might it be that professional fortune-tellers were as crap at predicting the future as amateurs? You might very well think that, I couldn’t possibly comment. I knew you'd say that! (If I was making any DW missing episode prediction, I'd write 'em in pencil,not ink. Perhaps one of those inks which vanish after five minutes...).
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Post by John Wall on Jan 2, 2023 23:06:51 GMT
You might very well think that, I couldn’t possibly comment. I knew you'd say that! (If I was making any DW missing episode prediction, I'd write 'em in pencil,not ink. Perhaps one of those inks which vanish after five minutes...). Very wise imho. Predictions are always difficult, particularly those about the future.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jan 3, 2023 1:44:12 GMT
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Post by robrudderham on Jan 3, 2023 13:33:47 GMT
I listened to the podcast with interest.
Cynically, I share many others' views that nothing else will ever be found, but at least this does seem a genuine lead and the most promising possibility since PM's last finds. I do note that (I think) an estimated ten years will be needed to search all the tapes. I appreciate that those searching are not necessarily prioritising Dr Who, but I do wonder if any priority will be given to searching the older reel-to-reel videotapes for 1960s material.
Were there are Dr Who episodes from the 1960s that were never shown in Austraila (e.g. Feast of Stephen)?
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