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Post by Stephen Byers on Dec 10, 2022 0:36:30 GMT
What is the state of survival of episodes of Beyond Our Ken and Round the Horn? Wiki: Beyond Our Ken is a BBC radio comedy programme first broadcast between 1958 and 1964. It starred Kenneth Horne, with Kenneth Williams, Hugh Paddick, Betty Marsden Bill Pertwee, and, as announcer, Douglas Smith. The title is a play on the name Kenneth and the familiar expression "beyond our ken" (ken being a mainly Northern English and Scots word meaning 'knowledge or perception'). Wiki: Round the Horne is a BBC Radio comedy programme starring Kenneth Horne, first transmitted in four series of weekly episodes from 1965 until 1968. The show was created by Barry Took and Marty Feldman, who wrote the first three series. The fourth was written by Took, Johnnie Mortimer, Brian Cooke and Donald. And spin-offs such as Stop Messing About? This is an interesting article. uk.yahoo.com/news/polari-secret-queer-language-dont-063201930.html==== |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 11, 2022 0:32:57 GMT
There have been quite a few repeats over the years, I suspect the survival rate is high.
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Post by darrenlee on Dec 11, 2022 16:05:13 GMT
Beyond Our Ken (1958-64):
123 episodes - Acording to Wikipedia, episodes missing from the BBC archives are: Series 1 (1958): Episodes 6, 10-13, 17, 21 and 22; Series 2 (1959): Episodes 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 and 19; Series 4 (1960-61): Episode 12.
According to TVBrain, the episodes missing are Series 1: Episodes 3, 6, 8, 13, 17 and 18 (which is of course completely different)!
The evidence of the CD release (and the fact that the extra episodes listed by TVBrain have been played on 4 Extra) makes Wikipedia much the more plausible.
It's hard to tell for sure from the programme's BBC web-page, but it looks like quite a few extant episodes have not been broadcast in modern times.
Round the Horne (1965-68):
67 episodes - complete. All episodes except one played on 4 Extra in about the last 5 years, most in the last year or two. The 1967 Christmas special was last on Radio 7 in 2010, I think.
Stop Messing About (1969-70):
26 episodes- complete. All episodes last played on 4 Extra 2016-17.
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 5, 2023 15:43:31 GMT
Beyond Our Ken Looking at the BBC 7 etc repeats, these are the episodes which are never repeated : Series 1: 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 19, 21, 22 Series 2: 1, 4, 7, 9, 14, 16, 19 Series 3: - Series 4: 12 Series 5: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20 (but poor off-airs exist for all except 3, 4, 12 and 17)) Series 6: Only episode 8 gets repeated, the other 12 are never repeated; but all 13 episodes exist as off airs. Series 7: - There is a .pdf file containing a guide to the surviving recordings - https://pirate site/file/tj4LqWnF1zG3/beyond-our-ken-pdf |
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 5, 2023 21:29:39 GMT
Most episodes seem to be available at Archive.org
However how many have been cut by those alert to racial prejudice and discrimination is a moot point.
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 5, 2023 21:32:02 GMT
Said PDF is dated 2006 - a tad out of date. Also the colour coding for quality has not been applied.
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 7, 2023 10:51:25 GMT
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 7, 2023 11:14:16 GMT
From Wiki
As at May 2020 the BBC had licensed the release of the first four series of Beyond Our Ken on commercially available CD. In 2021 the BBC released two audiobook collections, the first containing all remaining episodes of Series 1-4, the second containing all episodes from Series 5-7. Several episodes are missing from the BBC archives. Series 1 is missing 9 episodes out of a total of 22. Series 2 is missing 7 episodes out of a total of 21. Series 4 is missing 1 episode out of a total of 20 episodes.[n 3]
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 7, 2023 13:07:14 GMT
Episode guide - Series 1-4 CD
First broadcast on BBC Light Programme on the following dates:
Series 1 - 1 July-12 November 1958
Series 2 - 26 March-21 December 1959
Series 3 - 5 April-15 July 1960
Series 4 - 20 October 1960-2 March 1961
Bonus programme: Forty Laughing Years, 12 November 1962
The following episodes are missing from the BBC archives and therefore not included in this release:
Series 1: Episodes 6, 10-13, 17, 21 and 22
Series 2: Episodes 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 and 19
Series 4: Episode 12
Episodes restored and remastered by Ted Kendall and Keith Wickham.
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Post by Stephen Byers on Mar 7, 2023 13:11:28 GMT
Episode guide Series 5-7
First broadcast on BBC Light Programme on the following dates:
Series 5 - 12th October 1961 - 22nd February 1962
Series 6 - 27th December 1962 - 21st March 1963
Series 7 - 24th November 1963 - 16th February 1964
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Post by Ed Brown on Mar 10, 2023 17:05:03 GMT
Most episodes seem to be available at Archive.org However how many have been cut by those alert to racial prejudice and discrimination is a moot point. has not had many recent repeats, so the chances are good that no episode you might find online will contain any socially aware cuts. Those cuts have, in the main, only been applied to repeats aired on BBC radio in the period 2020 to 2023, but BOK has not aired during that time, save for Series 4. Repeats aired in 2019 or earlier were not cut for that reason. However, the BBC Transcription Service did, as is well known, release many editions of BOK in the 1960s on vinyl discs, which releases were cut to 25 minutes duration because the discs were sold to overseas commercial stations, who wanted 5 minutes of each half-hour for playing locally originated advertisements. BBC 7 inherited a huge number of such discs from the old BBC Transcription Service, so any repeat of BOK aired on BBC 7 or its successor might be a Transcription Service edit. If a recording runs about 25 minutes it's likely to be a Transcription edit. The current location of the Episode Guide to BOK published by the GBCC.info website (its new location is thegbcc.selfip.info), the guide is edited by David Moore and John Lucas - BOK Episode Guide, revised 12-Feb-2012 : thegbcc.selfip.info/w-cy/Beyond_Our_Ken.htmlAlthough this 2012 guide might not be completely up to date (it still lists as 'missing' one or two episodes which have aired on Radio 4 Extra since 2012), it does provide detailed quality descriptions for the various episodes which the GBCC's collection preserves as off-air recordings. You were asking for exactly this information, to identify those episodes which only survive in poor quality. It seems that the CD 'Beyond Our Ken, The Collected Series 1-4' includes all 60 surviving episodes from the first four series, according to: westchester.overdrive.com/westchester-greenburgh/content/media/6114557 |
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