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Post by rebeccajansen on Jan 31, 2022 18:19:26 GMT
Apologies if this was raised before, more of a possible lost script than episodes, but were there ever more than vague plans for the third doctor to cross paths with the Yeti/Great Intelligence?  There were many early publicity photos of Jon Pertwee with a Yeti (here they seem fairly close and not adversarial, was it Desmond, or Ferdinand the contented Yeti?)... and Derrick Sherwin has mentioned how they went back to The Web Of Fear and The Invasion UNIT stories for a path forward following The War Games... before he handed over to Barry Letts was there a possibility of a return of the Yeti? And of course if so, why wasn't there? Did moths do the costumes a mischief?  Familiarity breeding contempt, or perhaps it was a female Yeti... It would be interesting to know of anything made it to paper (or screen) on this (there was a great article on a Troughton Werewolfves/Nazis story in one of the fanzines). Much later we got those spin-off production Downtime wrapping up the story/trilogy... was any of it sourced back to original plans for a third story? This has interested me since way back when I saw a Pertwee cover on a Doctor Who Monthly with a Yeti among his other adversaries! I should add I am very ignorant on original novels and somewhat so on original audios so would be interested in information of any latter day 'new' Yetis there. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 31, 2022 18:30:14 GMT
I have a vague recollection of a third Yeti story being mooted, maybe in Season 6.
Henry Lincoln, of course, got diverted into the infinitely more lucrative Rennes le Chateau business.
I expect the BBC needed a convenient monster for Pertwee to be pictured with. Were there any pictures of him with Cybermen or Ice Warriors at that time?
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Post by Paul Hayes on Jan 31, 2022 18:32:47 GMT
Haisman and Lincoln had fallen out with the Doctor Who team during season six, I believe, so a Pertwee Yeti story was unlikely.
I'm pretty sure it was just a convenient monster costume to use for the photoshoot.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 31, 2022 18:47:33 GMT
Haisman and Lincoln had fallen out with the Doctor Who team during season six, I believe, so a Pertwee Yeti story was unlikely. I'm pretty sure it was just a convenient monster costume to use for the photoshoot. Season Six was a bit of a dog’s breakfast with scripts getting so far and then falling. Hopefully someone like Richard Bignell will help us out 👍 |
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Post by rebeccajansen on Jan 31, 2022 19:05:52 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Jan 31, 2022 19:15:40 GMT
Considering there’s an Ambassador of Death the picture has to be from fairly late during the production of Season 7. Surprising there’s no Auton. |
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Post by gbaker on Jan 31, 2022 23:11:52 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that there was a vague intention for the opening third doctor story to be based in a Scottish castle and featuring both Jamie and the Yeti. Perhaps this might have been a motivation for the photoshoot, although this plotline would have been quickly abandoned when the content of The War Games was finalised.
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Post by lousingh on Jan 31, 2022 23:19:57 GMT
In case you did not know, there was a 3rd Yeti story slated for season 6 called "Culloden" which was to be Jamie's last story. When I asked Terrance Dicks at a con in 1985, he said the story was yanked because "The Dominators" was trimmed to 5 episodes. He also said that they only mused about bringing back the Yeti, but were never serious.
I wish that I had asked Jon Pertwee about this when I saw him at a con in 1984.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 31, 2022 23:26:19 GMT
I remember reading somewhere that there was a vague intention for the opening third doctor story to be based in a Scottish castle and featuring both Jamie and the Yeti. Perhaps this might have been a motivation for the photoshoot, although this plotline would have been quickly abandoned when the content of The War Games was finalised. The mooted third Yeti story, The Laird of McCrimmon, was intrinsically tied in with Frazer Hines leaving the programme, so it was only ever considered, however fleetingly, for Troughton's final season. It was never thought about for Pertwee's first as Hines had already left by then. Haisman and Lincoln were obviously aware of Frazer's decision to leave and were formulating the concept of Laird as a possible exit story. It was never really developed beyond a few thoughts though. There was no formal commission for any work to be done on the concept and as Haisman himself noted when interviewed in 1981, they "were only in the initial planning stages" on the idea. At the same time, their bitter dispute with the BBC over the licencing of the Quarks kicked off and the relationship between the writers and the production office rapidly soured. Jamie's final story was originally going to be a re-written version of The Prison in Space, in which he would be replaced by a new male companion called Nik. Dick Sharples did his rewrites and Frazer's departure was announced to the press. However, around July 1968, when the whole Quark argument was beginning to kick-off, Troughton persuaded Hines to stay on for a few more months and leave at the same time as him, in the middle of 1969. All the plans for The Prison in Space were abandoned and The Krotons was dropped in its place as a late replacement and Nik was subsequently rewritten out of the following scripts, such as The Seeds of Death, in which he'd already been included. Timing-wise, this ties in with the general thought that Season 6 might have ended with The Laird of McCrimmon as the abandonment of Prison and the temporary extension for Jamie would have pretty much tied-in with their disputes with the BBC, so they may well have hoped that once resolved, work on Laird might progress. It didn't work out that way. Haisman and Lincoln didn't want to work with the BBC and the production office didn't want to work with them. Jon's press call was done on 17 June 1969, five days after the last episode of The War Games was recorded. The press call was just about pulling a monster out of storage for the photo opportunity. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 31, 2022 23:38:42 GMT
I mentioned Richard and he delivered - with a vengeance 👍
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 31, 2022 23:50:27 GMT
In case you did not know, there was a 3rd Yeti story slated for season 6 called "Culloden" which was to be Jamie's last story. was an early title for The Highlanders, not Jamie's last story. |
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Post by rebeccajansen on Feb 1, 2022 1:40:44 GMT
Great to learn! Thank you all for the info on this! I do remember they expanded The War Games story because of some other story being cut (and knowing this before finally getting to see it, I was very impressed with how it kept me interested through the entire ten part; Terrance Dicks and Malcolm Hulke were solid writers). I guess I thought with Sherwin leaving so early in the Pertwee era there might have been something, but I don't know of him ever having commented on it. Reading up on The Laird of McCrimmon by Mervyn Haisman and Henry Lincoln on a number of sites now!  www.bbcamerica.com/blogs/10-of-the-best-unmade-doctor-who-tv-stories--1015954 |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Feb 1, 2022 11:51:07 GMT
I remember seeing the Pertwee/Yeti photo - or one from the same shoot - on the front page of the Daily Express long before Spearhead aired, so this ties in with Richards date of June 1969.
Indeed I had it in a scrapbook for years which I can no longer find.
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Post by maxstenner on Feb 27, 2022 12:39:37 GMT
I stumbled across this picture a few days ago and wondered it’s origin, Pertwee and the Yeti would have been great. I liked the yeti
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