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Post by sonnybh on Nov 4, 2023 17:30:32 GMT
I think some Graham Strong's recordings from the Pertwee era still exist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 18:51:19 GMT
I think some Graham Strong's recordings from the Pertwee era still exist. No, he stopped recording Doctor Who after The Wheel in Space, so he never recorded any Pertwee stories. |
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Post by sonnybh on Nov 4, 2023 22:07:35 GMT
I think some Graham Strong's recordings from the Pertwee era still exist. No, he stopped recording Doctor Who after The Wheel in Space, so he never recorded any Pertwee stories. OK I was probably thinking of David Holman. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 23:27:30 GMT
No, he stopped recording Doctor Who after The Wheel in Space, so he never recorded any Pertwee stories. OK I was probably thinking of David Holman. David Holman did record up to the Three Doctors and since his is recordings are the second best highest quality behind Graham's because both connected the audio out directly to the recorders instead of using a microphone pointed to a speaker like other did. As a result, Holman's recordings are used for the episodes that Graham either missed or wiped. In addition, Holman recorded up to the Three Doctors, so his audio tapes have been used to restore the sound of Pertwee episodes that survive on 16mm film. Plus, paring his audio along with the color signal taken from Tom Lundie's off-air Betamax tapes can make a 16mm print look as close to its original PAL as it can get. |
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Post by George D on Nov 5, 2023 3:03:18 GMT
If David holman recorded up to 3 doctors how come we don't have good audios of space pirates?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 3:35:40 GMT
If David holman recorded up to 3 doctors how come we don't have good audios of space pirates? Cause the reconstructions used an unidentified Australian's fan Recording. |
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 8, 2023 12:14:44 GMT
If David holman recorded up to 3 doctors how come we don't have good audios of space pirates? Cause the reconstructions used an unidentified Australian's fan Recording. That doesn’t answer the question - if Holman recorded up to The Three Doctors, why isn’t there a crystal clear Space Pirates - the CD release was not anywhere near that. |
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Post by davetudor on Nov 8, 2023 13:36:11 GMT
Although the information we have says that David Holman recorded right up to the end of 'The Three Doctors' (and this overview supports that), I wonder if there is any indication that he didn't record every episode up to the end of that story? After all, Graham Strong stopped recording after 'The Wheel in Space' and we know that viewing figures were much lower for Season Six, so I wonder if there were factors which made Holman stop recording then, also, and then maybe commence again during the Pertwee era? Hence, the BBC only having the Australian recordings available as the 'best' source when they released 'The Space Pirates' CD in 2003? Apologies I can only throw up more questions, rather than providing an answer, but I would be interested to find out more. |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 8, 2023 14:42:39 GMT
Although the information we have says that David Holman recorded right up to the end of 'The Three Doctors' (and this overview supports that), I wonder if there is any indication that he didn't record every episode up to the end of that story? After all, Graham Strong stopped recording after 'The Wheel in Space' and we know that viewing figures were much lower for Season Six, so I wonder if there were factors which made Holman stop recording then, also, and then maybe commence again during the Pertwee era? Hence, the BBC only having the Australian recordings available as the 'best' source when they released 'The Space Pirates' CD in 2003? Apologies I can only throw up more questions, rather than providing an answer, but I would be interested to find out more. Of course people did go on holidays at various times of the year where they may not have had access to a television set. When the first Peter Cushing movie was shown for the first time on BBC1 we were in a holiday chalet which had a TV and it was no problem to take the portable cassette recorder in the car to capture the soundtrack. However a more bulky reel to reel tape recorder would have been more of a challenge particularly if travelling by train or coach. Equally a two week holiday would still allow someone like Holman to record some episodes of a six parter. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 8, 2023 14:57:31 GMT
Cause the reconstructions used an unidentified Australian's fan Recording. That doesn’t answer the question - if Holman recorded up to The Three Doctors, why isn’t there a crystal clear Space Pirates - the CD release was not anywhere near that. Holden did record The Space Pirates, but his recordings were done with a microphone against the television. Richard Landen's recording, use for the CD was a line recording, so the best version available. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 16:37:21 GMT
That doesn’t answer the question - if Holman recorded up to The Three Doctors, why isn’t there a crystal clear Space Pirates - the CD release was not anywhere near that. Holden did record The Space Pirates, but his recordings were done with a microphone against the television. Richard Landen's recording, use for the CD was a line recording, so the best version available. And that was before the Australian Recordings were found and used on the DVD version. |
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Post by davetudor on Nov 8, 2023 18:01:31 GMT
Holden did record The Space Pirates, but his recordings were done with a microphone against the television. Richard Landen's recording, use for the CD was a line recording, so the best version available. And that was before the Australian Recordings were found and used on the DVD version. I'm confused - surely the 'Lost in Time' DVD, released in 2004, would have featured the original sound from 'The Space Pirates: Episode 2' telerecording!?  |
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Post by George D on Nov 8, 2023 18:05:03 GMT
If we have line recording of space pirates, why is the sound inferior?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2023 18:26:16 GMT
And that was before the Australian Recordings were found and used on the DVD version. I'm confused - surely the 'Lost in Time' DVD, released in 2004, would have featured the original sound from 'The Space Pirates: Episode 2' telerecording!? I was refering to the reconstructions of episodes 1 & 3-6. |
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Post by timmunton on Nov 9, 2023 13:42:19 GMT
I'm confused - surely the 'Lost in Time' DVD, released in 2004, would have featured the original sound from 'The Space Pirates: Episode 2' telerecording!? I was refering to the reconstructions of episodes 1 & 3-6. I assume you're referring to these episodes as they appear in the 2nd Loose Canon recon of the Space Pirates? The audio on that 2nd recon is quite good and miles better than the audio on the official BBC CD and the earlier 1st LC recon. I actually felt like I'd finally heard the story properly after hearing LC recon 2. Actually I did most likely see & hear all of it during its 1969 UK broadcast - as we always watched it every week. But unlike some other stories (eg Moonbase, Evil, Tomb, Abominable, Web, Fury, Wheel, Dominators, War Games & others) it didn't really stick in my memory. Despite that now (& maybe then quite possibly) I really like it. I've often wondered where the better quality audio recording used on the 2nd LC recon came from. Does anyone please have any further details about this? |
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