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Post by John Wall on Mar 7, 2021 16:55:29 GMT
I think that it may not be too long. If indeed as reported Evil & Snowmen are on the way it does seem that the most popular & fondly remembered serials are being done sooner rather than later, which might mean that some serials never get animated but on the other hand that Masterplan is rather higher on the list than some folks suspect. I'm sure if they can get the budget for it, they'll do it. It just has to be understood that it's a rather large project (and I expect will probably get broken up into two separate releases just to make it more manageable). As with Marco Polo if it doesn't get thrown in for the 60th anniversary, we might as well assume it's being held off for the end of the range.
It would certainly be an ambitious project but there are quite a few episodes with no telesnaps, although there may be other visual material, etc to try and recreate it. One thing we must realise is that an animated story that doesn’t at least cover its costs could well finish the range.
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 7, 2021 22:43:14 GMT
I think that it may not be too long. If indeed as reported Evil & Snowmen are on the way it does seem that the most popular & fondly remembered serials are being done sooner rather than later, which might mean that some serials never get animated but on the other hand that Masterplan is rather higher on the list than some folks suspect. My plan, cunning or otherwise!, was to work towards completing seasons - although Evil would probably be popular. Snowmen and Wheel - for which the start of Episode 1 has been done - would complete Yeti, Cybermen and Season Five. “Monster” stories should sell.
The problem with that though as I've said before is that those season sets are going to sell out no matter what so there's no financial benefit in aiming for complete seasons. The animation team will always have to go for whatever is viable in its own right, the bigger picture ultimately isn't going to help them any.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 7, 2021 22:45:32 GMT
If it gets done - and it is a huge if, then there's no way that the BBC will split it in two.
However, the budget required for it will be a massive hurdle, as will the quality of the existing soundtracks.
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Post by RhysH on Mar 8, 2021 9:24:00 GMT
My plan, cunning or otherwise!, was to work towards completing seasons - although Evil would probably be popular. Snowmen and Wheel - for which the start of Episode 1 has been done - would complete Yeti, Cybermen and Season Five. “Monster” stories should sell.
The problem with that though as I've said before is that those season sets are going to sell out no matter what so there's no financial benefit in aiming for complete seasons. The animation team will always have to go for whatever is viable in its own right, the bigger picture ultimately isn't going to help them any.
I agree - there was an interview with Chris Chapman (who works on the blu-ray collection releases) in the early part of Lockdown where he said the Blu-Ray Collection and the Animation teams are very disconnected sadly. I was looking for that and stumbled upon this interview from just a few days ago with him - a specific question on the b/w era being extracted, friendly 3 min run time (there is a link to the full Q&A session of 45 mins at the bottom of this post): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zfce6hQVbUInteresting stuff - I don't get the secrecy if I'm honest. Sure it's nice to have a surprise, but also good to have a little timeline out there which is made clear it's not set in stone and can be varied depending on progress, availability of the key contributors, or global pandemics etc. But they are definitely heading towards the B/w era, and I feel its clear from this chat that they are hoping more animations will be done, but it won't stop them releasing the sets if they aren't. Full Q&A session here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UifxOCXdynU
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Post by John Wall on Mar 8, 2021 13:46:11 GMT
The problem with that though as I've said before is that those season sets are going to sell out no matter what so there's no financial benefit in aiming for complete seasons. The animation team will always have to go for whatever is viable in its own right, the bigger picture ultimately isn't going to help them any.
I agree - there was an interview with Chris Chapman (who works on the blu-ray collection releases) in the early part of Lockdown where he said the Blu-Ray Collection and the Animation teams are very disconnected sadly. I was looking for that and stumbled upon this interview from just a few days ago with him - a specific question on the b/w era being extracted, friendly 3 min run time (there is a link to the full Q&A session of 45 mins at the bottom of this post): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zfce6hQVbUInteresting stuff - I don't get the secrecy if I'm honest. Sure it's nice to have a surprise, but also good to have a little timeline out there which is made clear it's not set in stone and can be varied depending on progress, availability of the key contributors, or global pandemics etc. But they are definitely heading towards the B/w era, and I feel its clear from this chat that they are hoping more animations will be done, but it won't stop them releasing the sets if they aren't. Full Q&A session here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UifxOCXdynUSomeone needs to knock their heads together and get them talking. There are plenty of colour seasons to release as sets so if they talked to the animation folks they could start thinking a few years ahead. There’s quite a lot of scope in the b&w seasons although Season Three is probably the most difficult unless a “cache” of MEs turns up - although that’s extremely unlikely imho.
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Post by ajsmith on Mar 8, 2021 14:08:15 GMT
If it gets done - and it is a huge if, then there's no way that the BBC will split it in two. However, the budget required for it will be a massive hurdle, as will the quality of the existing soundtracks. Wouldn't usage of the Randolph Tapes be able to ensure decent quality audio for most of DMP? (other than the missing first half of Episode 1 and the mic recorded Feast Of Steven).
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Post by RhysH on Mar 8, 2021 14:25:58 GMT
I agree - there was an interview with Chris Chapman (who works on the blu-ray collection releases) in the early part of Lockdown where he said the Blu-Ray Collection and the Animation teams are very disconnected sadly. I was looking for that and stumbled upon this interview from just a few days ago with him - a specific question on the b/w era being extracted, friendly 3 min run time (there is a link to the full Q&A session of 45 mins at the bottom of this post): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zfce6hQVbUInteresting stuff - I don't get the secrecy if I'm honest. Sure it's nice to have a surprise, but also good to have a little timeline out there which is made clear it's not set in stone and can be varied depending on progress, availability of the key contributors, or global pandemics etc. But they are definitely heading towards the B/w era, and I feel its clear from this chat that they are hoping more animations will be done, but it won't stop them releasing the sets if they aren't. Full Q&A session here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UifxOCXdynUSomeone needs to knock their heads together and get them talking. There are plenty of colour seasons to release as sets so if they talked to the animation folks they could start thinking a few years ahead. There’s quite a lot of scope in the b&w seasons although Season Three is probably the most difficult unless a “cache” of MEs turns up - although that’s extremely unlikely imho. Totally agree. With season 8 out today (just had mine delivered! ) and season 24 coming in a few months or so you would expect, that leave 11 seasons to focus on for Doctor's 3 to 7 and let the animators do their thing for the first 6 seasons. Can see McGann getting a steelbook set in the same fashion as 2005 to present day run.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 8, 2021 16:19:41 GMT
Someone needs to knock their heads together and get them talking. There are plenty of colour seasons to release as sets so if they talked to the animation folks they could start thinking a few years ahead. There’s quite a lot of scope in the b&w seasons although Season Three is probably the most difficult unless a “cache” of MEs turns up - although that’s extremely unlikely imho. Totally agree. With season 8 out today (just had mine delivered! ) and season 24 coming in a few months or so you would expect, that leave 11 seasons to focus on for Doctor's 3 to 7 and let the animators do their thing for the first 6 seasons. Can see McGann getting a steelbook set in the same fashion as 2005 to present day run. Without repeating the previous thread it’s surprising just how relatively few animations, depending upon whether the whole story or just MEs are done, are needed to give complete b&w seasons. From my point of view I’m happy with just MEs being animated.
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Post by nathangeorge on Mar 8, 2021 19:13:33 GMT
It's far too lucrative to be missed. I expect some easier stories to be done first, such as Toymaker as presumably animating a budget-busting beast like DMP will be easier with a Steven template already built for the animators to work with? Though I think splitting the tale into seperate releases is a bit of a fannish idea, possibly based on how Target chose to tackle the novelisations the story (in two parts). More liky to bea triple disc release, probably with a couple of special edition releases a few years after the first (we all know Auntie loves to go for the double dip).
But to be truthful, DMP is way down my personal animation wishlist. I don't want to sound like Grandad Misery Guts but for me the best thing about it is Douglas Camfield's direction and the taught atmosphere of the first 6 episodes. There's nothing else like them in all of Doctor Who. I guess I'd be hoping for a stylised animation like Invasion or possibly Reign (but with less shadow and a less creppy looking Hartnell) for it to work for me. But hey any Doctor Who from the 1960s with movimg picturrs is good!
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Post by nathangeorge on Mar 8, 2021 19:15:26 GMT
Apologies for the typos. I've lost my glasses!
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Post by Ace St.John on Mar 9, 2021 17:38:39 GMT
I just want them to do a better job than with previous animations and make it look more stylised a bit like The Invasion or The Moonbase animations which were exactly like how they should be in my book. Most of the rest look too cartoony or cheap and I would be dissapointed if they did Masterplan like that . Please raise the bar.
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 10, 2021 0:03:31 GMT
The problem with that though as I've said before is that those season sets are going to sell out no matter what so there's no financial benefit in aiming for complete seasons. The animation team will always have to go for whatever is viable in its own right, the bigger picture ultimately isn't going to help them any.
I agree - there was an interview with Chris Chapman (who works on the blu-ray collection releases) in the early part of Lockdown where he said the Blu-Ray Collection and the Animation teams are very disconnected sadly. I was looking for that and stumbled upon this interview from just a few days ago with him - a specific question on the b/w era being extracted, friendly 3 min run time (there is a link to the full Q&A session of 45 mins at the bottom of this post): www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zfce6hQVbUInteresting stuff - I don't get the secrecy if I'm honest. Sure it's nice to have a surprise, but also good to have a little timeline out there which is made clear it's not set in stone and can be varied depending on progress, availability of the key contributors, or global pandemics etc. But they are definitely heading towards the B/w era, and I feel its clear from this chat that they are hoping more animations will be done, but it won't stop them releasing the sets if they aren't. Full Q&A session here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UifxOCXdynU
I think he explained the secrecy pretty well in the interview. He gives an example of Season 8 being worked on where they were travelling the country with several older crew members, if they'd shown up to one of those locations and a crowd of fans had turned up they'd have to cancel filming they wouldn't have been COVID safe and the whole shoot would have to be cancelled or rescheduled because sadly some people are idiots or nosey (or both).
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Post by Ace St.John on Mar 24, 2021 18:07:30 GMT
I just want them to do a better job than with previous animations and make it look more stylised a bit like The Invasion or The Moonbase animations which were exactly like how they should be in my book. Most of the rest look too cartoony or cheap and I would be dissapointed if they did Masterplan like that . Please raise the bar. Having said that Rob Ritchie's Daleks in POTD looked excellent
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Post by mattg on Mar 24, 2021 18:49:31 GMT
I just want them to do a better job than with previous animations and make it look more stylised a bit like The Invasion or The Moonbase animations which were exactly like how they should be in my book. Most of the rest look too cartoony or cheap and I would be dissapointed if they did Masterplan like that . Please raise the bar. Having said that Rob Ritchie's Daleks in POTD looked excellent For what it’s worth agreed on the superb animations for ‘Moonbase and ‘Invasion (the latter courtesy of the much venerated Cosgrove Hall of course). ‘Moonbase in particular arguably serves as the apex for missing episode animation, but alas it’s been more of a ‘mixed bag’ since then. Regardless, if ‘Masterplan was ever financially viable one would hope for ‘Moonbase or even ‘The Faceless Ones’ standards rather than the recent, rather desultory ‘Fury From the Deep’!
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