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Post by Robin Stephenson on Jul 9, 2020 12:03:52 GMT
I was wondering what the procedure was, and where they are stored, such as the ones found by TPTV. I appreciate the copyright holders would have first claim.
I appreciate the BBC has its own archives but for ITV for instance are copies lodged at the BFI? Or is there another location for storage? GOd forbid something turns up and then goes missing again.....
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Post by John Wall on Jul 9, 2020 12:48:43 GMT
The physical medium can be owned by anyone - they are under no obligation to “return” it to anyone. However, they can’t exploit the content without the agreement/permission of the copyright holder.
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Post by Robin Stephenson on Jul 9, 2020 13:19:25 GMT
Thanks. I was more thinking about what options there were for those altruistic types who were keen to preserve for posterity, ie is there a "safe" storage option where if something is located it can be preserved for future consumption? Obviously a collector who gets hold of something is under no obligation to either publicise or share if they have no wish for others to watch or listen to it.
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Post by John Wall on Jul 9, 2020 13:22:19 GMT
The copyright holder - should they still exist, and note that ITV companies have come and gone over the years - may be interested.
Alternatively there is the NFTVA or the likes of Kaleidoscope.
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Post by Robin Stephenson on Jul 9, 2020 13:31:43 GMT
Yeah it was the No Hiding Place episode discovery that prompted the question. Rediffusion are long gone- so whether ITV as a generic entity now own the copyright if indeed they would be interested.
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Post by John Wall on Jul 9, 2020 14:48:05 GMT
The ownership of some of these things is, at best, uncertain. I suppose that if one company took over another then they’d probably get all the assets.
This board is the place to get answers imho.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jul 9, 2020 14:52:06 GMT
Hi Robin,
There are various options, and the BBC will for the most part take their content, where the footage is not represented in their archive and is in a usable state.
ITV is less concerned about plugging gaps in its archive, although it has a lot more than most people are aware. But putting that aside, I would always try and get material back to official archives. Failing that, there are few organisations that have their own on-site storage for archival film. There are all sorts of reasons for that, not least temperature and humidity control. The BFI and TIEA do, Kaleidoscope don't although they do farm out commercial storage to one of the big media storage companies near Heathrow, as do other commercial media companies.
Of all, only the BBC and the BFI are completely transparent about their holdings, but there are commercial reasons in play in that regard.
Paul
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Post by Robin Stephenson on Jul 9, 2020 15:06:04 GMT
Hello Paul, THanks for the info which is most interesting and hopefully might be of benefit to collectors out there!
Robin
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Post by John Wall on Jul 9, 2020 15:07:32 GMT
Was I right or was I right 👍
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Post by robertboon on Jul 9, 2020 15:51:25 GMT
From BFI Collection Policy November 2011: Appendix A: The CollectionsTelevision Around 750,000 television titles including material recorded off-air, as it was seen by the viewer, as well as production and transmission material. The collection includes all BBC output since 1980 including unique live broadcasts and interstitial material, and extensive samples of commercial terrestrial television, with emphasis on key British productions. As well as the recorded material, significant collections of transmitted programming donated by broadcasters include the Rediffusion Collection (the earliest ITV contractor) and the related This Week and Jack Hylton Collections, and material preserved on analogue videotape from the sixties and seventies donated by the BBC and ITV. The collection also includes recordings of the proceedings of the two houses of Parliament and select committees (approximately 60,000 hours). Whether the BFI also has the rights of Redifussion programmes donated to them as well I do not know but at least the BFI should know who holds them if they don't. Curious that the BFI has ALL BBC output since 1980.
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 9, 2020 17:28:50 GMT
From BFI Collection Policy November 2011: Appendix A: The CollectionsTelevision Around 750,000 television titles including material recorded off-air, as it was seen by the viewer, as well as production and transmission material. The collection includes all BBC output since 1980 including unique live broadcasts and interstitial material, and extensive samples of commercial terrestrial television, with emphasis on key British productions. As well as the recorded material, significant collections of transmitted programming donated by broadcasters include the Rediffusion Collection (the earliest ITV contractor) and the related This Week and Jack Hylton Collections, and material preserved on analogue videotape from the sixties and seventies donated by the BBC and ITV. The collection also includes recordings of the proceedings of the two houses of Parliament and select committees (approximately 60,000 hours). Whether the BFI also has the rights of Redifussion programmes donated to them as well I do not know but at least the BFI should know who holds them if they don't. Curious that the BFI has ALL BBC output since 1980. Shame they are wasting time & space on all that Parliamentary garbage 😉
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Post by John Wall on Jul 9, 2020 18:43:41 GMT
Our answer to Disneyland 😇
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jul 9, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
The Parliamentary thing is useful for future historians and authors of the day. As you may know, all the proceedings are written down and published for each session, but while the words are written, the nuances are not. A member sometimes refers to another without mentioning their name to avoid contempt or something like it, he may point or make some other gesture, which are not recorded in the transcripts. So some of the chicanery used by the politicians is lost if they were not recorded.
Alan
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Post by garygraham on Jul 11, 2020 23:20:04 GMT
Curious that the BFI has ALL BBC output since 1980. I bet they don't have BBC regional opt outs. Local news, Children In Need and so on. I agree it's a bit curious. I'm sure I read that the BFI only started recording all output around the late 80s/early 90s. It would have cost quite a bit in 1980 even just on VHS. A 180 minute tape cost the equivalent of £40 today. If you reckon 15 hours of both BBC1 and BBC2 each day. That's ten tapes a day at equivalent to £400 today or £146,000 a year! I don't believe it's true.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Jul 24, 2020 8:12:31 GMT
From BFI Collection Policy November 2011: Appendix A: The CollectionsTelevision Around 750,000 television titles including material recorded off-air, as it was seen by the viewer, as well as production and transmission material. The collection includes all BBC output since 1980 including unique live broadcasts and interstitial material, and extensive samples of commercial terrestrial television, with emphasis on key British productions. As well as the recorded material, significant collections of transmitted programming donated by broadcasters include the Rediffusion Collection (the earliest ITV contractor) and the related This Week and Jack Hylton Collections, and material preserved on analogue videotape from the sixties and seventies donated by the BBC and ITV. The collection also includes recordings of the proceedings of the two houses of Parliament and select committees (approximately 60,000 hours). Whether the BFI also has the rights of Redifussion programmes donated to them as well I do not know but at least the BFI should know who holds them if they don't. Curious that the BFI has ALL BBC output since 1980. Any idea how I could find what programmes are actually held by bfi in the "Rediffusion Collection" becuase when I use that search term on their site it comes up with 1 show - from Victor Lewis Smith's company!
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