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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Oct 21, 2019 8:34:09 GMT
Looks interesting? Does the full show exist I wonder?
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Post by ajsmith on Oct 21, 2019 10:22:09 GMT
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Post by ajsmith on Oct 21, 2019 10:22:39 GMT
Here's the full post by SH poster dormouse for reference: The Beatles Abbey Road BBC World Premiere - Late Night Lineup 26th Sep 1969 There is a 53 second piece of footage that had been uploaded by DIG Media who have been administering the video library left by sixties’ counterculture figure Jack Henry Moore. This appears to be from his collection. It is in grainy black and white, silent and appears to have been recorded off a TV or monitor as the top of the screen can be seen. Jack Henry Moore was an associate of the Beatles and involved in such London counterculture activities as the International Times and 14 Hour Technicolour Dream and also filmed John and Yoko’s Bagism activities. I understand that he acquired an early video recorder and camera (apparently from The Beatles via Capitol Records), used this as a pioneering video artist and built up a large video library. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGbvs0-Mnb8&feature=youtu.beThis footage appears to have been from this Abbey Road Late Night Lineup programme, but whether it exists in its entirety is not known. Here is a brief outline of what appears (the footage I recognise as being from the film used for the A Day In The Life video is reversed). 0.00 DIG logo watermark 0.01 ABBEY ROAD BEATLES caption 0.02 Children running 0.06 Crowd in club or studio 0.14 Paul McCartney close-up 0.15 Donovan 0.16 Orchestra recording session 0.23 Still photo of band (Tittenhurst) 0.32 Girl dancing with superimposed psychedelic lighting The first segment up until the still photo seems to be from the footage used in the A Day In The Life video promo. The last segment of the dancer lasts until the end of the clip. I believe that this may be dancer called Jane London who was documented as being filmed for the programme as part of the Something segment. There are also ‘slides’ documented as part of this Something section which seem to be the kind of projections that were common at this time in clubs and concerts. Dig Media have also uploaded a teaser documentary about Jack Henry Moore called Videohead: Videohead: Jack Henry Moore (Teaser)
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Post by ajsmith on Oct 21, 2019 10:25:47 GMT
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 26, 2019 12:49:20 GMT
I believe Kaleidoscope have made contact.
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Post by SydV on Oct 30, 2019 13:46:09 GMT
I'm presuming he recorded this off the screen using a camera rather than directly to a VCR because there were no 625-UHF domestic recorders available at the time.
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Post by robertreinstein on Oct 30, 2019 13:57:28 GMT
I'm presuming he recorded this off the screen using a camera rather than directly to a VCR because there were no 625-UHF domestic recorders available at the time. Agreed.
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Post by Samuel Giles on Oct 30, 2019 18:14:48 GMT
Wow...so this is the guy who filmed The Who and Dylan at the Isle Of Wight '69 as well as owning a copy of Pink Floyd's Bath Festival 1970 performance. Wonder if there's any more Bath Festival footage?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 20, 2019 18:20:23 GMT
I think I may well have solved a mystery here.
In the 80's a video was going around on bootleg and also, would you believe, video jukeboxes of what we know as the 'A Day in the Life' promo film to the music of 'Come Together'.
We so-called Beatle 'experts' (I do hate that word!) mused in conversation as to how and why this occurred. Remember, these were the days before t'internet, so the only chance you'd get to talk to knowledgeable Beatle fans was in person, pretty much, which did occur.
Anyway, here is my educated guess as to why that happened....
In 1967 the ADITL promo is made, presumably for promo purposes to TV stations - it doesn't break the miming ban. The BBC ban the record, so it doesn't get played, so no UK airings of the film. The film had presumably already been sent out.... The likelihood is, due to the techniques of filming and cutting, that it wouldn't have gone to the likes of the TOTP producers (as it wasn't a single anyway), it would have gone to the directors or producers of arts shows....
Something like Late Night Line-Up.
Cue Philip Jenkinson, who worked on the show for around five years, either out front or behind the scenes, and later worked on sister show Film Night.
He was amassing a collection of films, stock footage, silent films, early talkies, basically anything he could lay his hands on. Later, of course, he set up Filmfinders, whose excellent library still exists, and bizarrely includes the non-artist TOTP promo films for the Monster Mash (Pan's People) and the Laughing Gnome from the (500th edition), both filmed by Caravel Films, per pro the Beeb. Filmfinders was a clever move, financially, as he could be employed by the BBC and also have his company separately paid for the odd project by the BBC, not to forget the odd tax break that came with it.... This was not the only time a BBC employee set up a company which then charged the BBC for services
He was asked by Rowan Ayers to assist with the Abbey Road Special, so some of the material in it - as proved by the credits on the PasB - came from Filmfinders.
Now, we have proof from this optical recording that the matching of ADITL's promo film and Come Together was for this special and that Mr Jenkinson worked on it, although he couldn't get a credit for this as Filmfinders footage as the ownership of the film was debatably Apple's - even though Apple didn't - strictly speaking - make it. Apple was not making films in the first half of '67 - it predates the Magical Mystery Tour.
So,.... Presumably after the special was shown, Mr Jenkinson took the film home.
He even supplied this to a video jukebox company in the 80's when finding Beatles footage was difficult and it came out on bootleg.
Some years later, someone with access to paperwork - or with a memory longer than the road that stretches out ahead, so to speak - sent a letter to Mr Jenkinson via Apple's lawyers that they would like films given and/or acquired by PJ to be sent back to Apple - cease or desist sort of thing, presumably.
PJ was actually quoted in the 90's as saying 'they used to give these things out like sweeties'. Please note the plural....he was specifically talking about the Something promo film, which he had, but....he obviously had more than one film.
As subsequent findings have shown, the Something promo was not ready for the Abbey Road special as the errant and reclusive Macca was up in the Mull of Kintyre.
Also, my theory also proves that SOME of the Abbey Road special does exist in studio quality.
Basically, dub the ADITL promo film to Come Together - the same sync as what was on bootleg - work out what was shown in terms of timing from the PasB at Caversham and....voila you will have about 1/10th of the special in your collection.
That was bloody simple, wasn't it?
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Post by robertreinstein on Dec 20, 2019 19:00:21 GMT
Actually Ray, the complete "Come Together" film exists on the Bob Pratt tapes. This is what had been shown partially on "The Tube" during a Dezo Hoffman interview. Also, I'm not sure if I misunderstood something you wrote, but the PasB does show the "Come Together" film footage as being provided by Apple.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Dec 20, 2019 19:07:50 GMT
Just to chuck another spanner in the works...here is another thought, feel free to say bolloxs or whatever.
The Day in the life film that is now used for the promo..Was never actually intended for promotion, the reason being was that it was basically somebody's casually made 'home movie' shot on 8mm film...In those days 8mm film would have never been used in a professional capacity and no TV co would have had anything to scan it anyway. When bits of it turned up on the Abbey Road special it would have either been blown up to 16mm or telerecorded from a screen. But basically this was just somebody taking random shots for (originally)their own entertainment of the DITL sessions.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 20, 2019 19:08:15 GMT
Actually Ray, the complete "Come Together" film exists on the Bob Pratt tapes. This is what had been shown partially on "The Tube" during a Dezo Hoffman interview. Also, I'm not sure if I misunderstood something you wrote, but the PasB does show the "Come Together" film footage as being provided by Apple. As a great Beatle fan once said ""An edited copy of the A Day In The Life promo cut to fit Come Together. And oddly enough, the audio track is only one channel of the stereo.""
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Post by robertreinstein on Dec 20, 2019 19:19:05 GMT
Just to chuck another spanner in the works...here is another thought, feel free to say bolloxs or whatever. The Day in the life film that is now used for the promo..Was never actually intended for promotion, the reason being was that it was basically somebody's casually made 'home movie' shot on 8mm film...In those days 8mm film would have never been used in a professional capacity and no TV co would have had anything to scan it anyway. When bits of it turned up on the Abbey Road special it would have either been blown up to 16mm or telerecorded from a screen. But basically this was just somebody taking random shots for (originally)their own entertainment of the DITL sessions. I won't say bollocks :-) , but I don't think that the Day In The Life session filming was on 8mm. The uncut footage runs around 25-30 minutes, and appears to have been filmed on a single reel with some in-camera special effects. That footage was then edited and the "A Day In The Life" promo was created. I believe the footage was shot by Peter Goldmann, who had also shot the "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" promotional films. I too have always been puzzled about why they would prepare a promotional film for "A Day In The Life" and had always thought it was just a rumor.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 20, 2019 20:08:00 GMT
Just to chuck another spanner in the works...here is another thought, feel free to say bolloxs or whatever. The Day in the life film that is now used for the promo..Was never actually intended for promotion, the reason being was that it was basically somebody's casually made 'home movie' shot on 8mm film...In those days 8mm film would have never been used in a professional capacity and no TV co would have had anything to scan it anyway. When bits of it turned up on the Abbey Road special it would have either been blown up to 16mm or telerecorded from a screen. But basically this was just somebody taking random shots for (originally)their own entertainment of the DITL sessions. I won't say bollocks :-) , but I don't think that the Day In The Life session filming was on 8mm. The uncut footage runs around 25-30 minutes, and appears to have been filmed on a single reel with some in-camera special effects. That footage was then edited and the "A Day In The Life" promo was created. I believe the footage was shot by Peter Goldmann, who had also shot the "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" promotional films. I too have always been puzzled about why they would prepare a promotional film for "A Day In The Life" and had always thought it was just a rumor. I think it was prepared to promote Pepper with Arts Shows and the like at the BBC - as it didn't break the miming ban - but as I said the ban of ADITL put an end to that.
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Post by brianfretwell on Dec 21, 2019 9:38:54 GMT
Just to chuck another spanner in the works...here is another thought, feel free to say bolloxs or whatever. The Day in the life film that is now used for the promo..Was never actually intended for promotion, the reason being was that it was basically somebody's casually made 'home movie' shot on 8mm film...In those days 8mm film would have never been used in a professional capacity and no TV co would have had anything to scan it anyway. When bits of it turned up on the Abbey Road special it would have either been blown up to 16mm or telerecorded from a screen. But basically this was just somebody taking random shots for (originally)their own entertainment of the DITL sessions. They may have had equipment for telecine of 8mm in news departments as it could be used in areas where 16mm would attract unwanted attention, of amateur footage of incidents. I'm pretty sure ITN had an 8mm projector when in above AR Aldwich when I had a visit.
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