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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 14:34:57 GMT
Totally with you on this one!
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Post by RWels on Jun 23, 2006 20:48:46 GMT
Episode 19: still the redubbing of cancer into gangrene.
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Post by Koen Br on Jun 27, 2006 22:38:41 GMT
A new element for the search into the origins of the tapes currently used by VRT in Belgium: thanks to an engineer who switched a little bit later than planned, tonight a short caption appeared after the actual credits: "C. Python (Monty) Pictures Limited 1970". At the bottom of an otherwise black screen. When I said I had the impression the video looked as if it had been cleaned up, SpinyNorman replied he didn't think so.  Now we're about half through, I have to say there seems to be a completely illogical pattern in the picture quality: some episodes look exactly as you would expect from 30+ year old 2" tape - not all that bad, but not really good either. (But it doesn't look as bad as NTSC conversion.) Other episodes look as if they were recorded yesterday... Anyone for a good explanation?  |
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Post by RWels on Jun 28, 2006 9:09:42 GMT
In addition, the subtitles screwed up yesterday, showing the subtitles from the previous program. Which makes me think it's a new set of subtitles - for a new tape.
Anyway showing this week are some of the key episodes to missing bits, so we'll soon find out.
Unless part of the tapes is old, and some tapes are new for some reason, this has all been a wild goose chase.
But if it served no other purpose, at least it proved once again there's still a lot of interest in the old monty python series.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2006 17:17:49 GMT
Sure in the UK alone it must have been repeated a couple of times on UK Gold, no? (Don't know, just supposing.) It has. Paramount Comedy have repeated the series at various points. It was for quite a while on Paramount Comedy 2 every day, though it's not on at the moment. |
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Post by Gary C on Jun 28, 2006 19:51:39 GMT
'Unless part of the tapes is old, and some tapes are new for some reason, this has all been a wild goose chase'
I would think they would all be new Digi-beta dubs from a Beta master. The 2" masters would have been retired years ago. When were the BBC dubbing the 2"?? 15 years ago??
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Post by RWels on Jun 28, 2006 20:35:06 GMT
True, but I was initially hoping these were tapes that had been sold to Belgian TV years ago.
Episode 22: panting "it's-man" has been dubbed over as described.
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Post by Charles Roberts on Jun 30, 2006 10:22:26 GMT
So it's going pretty slow then. The major points will be the "Satan cartoon" episode(although it would appea that that's been cut) and the "Choreographed Political" episode, which may yet prove to be worthwhile?
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Post by RWels on Jun 30, 2006 21:40:10 GMT
Negative. Tonight the satan animation was still missing, so I think it is clear the tapes used by this Flemish TV station do not contain any of the missing pieces.
However by a coincidence I got confirmation tonight that columbia tristar is still working on the flying circus. Dear lord, give us hope, that it is taking so long, because they are actually trying to do it properly. Amen.
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Post by Noele Gordon on Jul 1, 2006 5:57:19 GMT
Ep. 33: Biggles line was dropped due to a glitch in the tape used in U.S. DVDs (text with >< : "Don’t call me >> senor! I’m not a Spanish person, You must call me Mr. << Biggles, or Group Captain Biggles, or Mary Biggles if I’m dressed as my wife, but never senor.”), but the complete tape does exist.
I should point out that this "edit" appears to come from much further back. When Python was repeated on BBCtv, late Saturday nights, I recall this episode going out with this problem. This was the early 90's I think, so the problem seems to go way back and originate here in the UK!
Nolly.
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Post by Martin OGorman on Jul 5, 2006 12:53:06 GMT
Interesting. An animation as part of the Mouse Problem? Could you be a little bit more precise what the animation was about? I could then compare the dvd to the episodes as broadcast at the moment. It's here: web.ukonline.co.uk/sotcaa/pythonpages/python_tv_10.htmlScroll down to see the screen grabs. Sounds like it's in most international copies of the episode, but apparently not the copy the BBC hold and the one issued on BMG Video in the 90s. God, it's complicated isn't it? Someone needs to inspect Terry Jones's cellar at some point, too. We could have a fantastic set of Python DVDs if they're done properly... with the Birds Eye Peas films and everything! Speaking of outtakes, we all know that the "Brian" offcuts were dumped a few years ago, but does anyone know whether anything survives from "Grail" and "And Now For Something...". Definitely dropped from the latter were Ken Shabby and the Flying Sheep Frenchman, both of which appear in the Big Red Book. |
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Post by David Morgan on Jul 5, 2006 20:42:58 GMT
Speaking of outtakes, we all know that the "Brian" offcuts were dumped a few years ago, While the "Brian" film negs were trashed by Paragon, Terry J. used a tape of outtakes to pull "deleted scenes" for the laserdisc that was put out a few years ago. Recenty I uncovered a U-Matic of the "Brian" rough cut with temp tracks (incl. "Ben Hur" and speeded-up "Star Wars" for the spaceship sequence) which had the deleted material, and which is now in Terry J's hands -- if a DVD is ever re-done (i.e., HD/anamorphic transfer), they'll have better material to use for the special features. |
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Post by Gary C on Jul 5, 2006 21:05:56 GMT
good man !!
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Post by RWels on Jul 6, 2006 8:39:17 GMT
Speaking of outtakes, we all know that the "Brian" offcuts were dumped a few years ago, While the "Brian" film negs were trashed by Paragon, Terry J. used a tape of outtakes to pull "deleted scenes" for the laserdisc that was put out a few years ago. Recenty I uncovered a U-Matic of the "Brian" rough cut with temp tracks (incl. "Ben Hur" and speeded-up "Star Wars" for the spaceship sequence) which had the deleted material, and which is now in Terry J's hands -- if a DVD is ever re-done (i.e., HD/anamorphic transfer), they'll have better material to use for the special features. Those deleted scenes are in fact on only on laserdisc, but also on dvd, along with audio commentary. But only on the U.S. criterion edition. The most nefarious of these outtakes was no doubt Otto, the Jewish fascist obsessed with racial purity. In fact, mr. Saunders told me recently that columbia tristar will do a special edition Life of Brian once they have finished with the Flying Circus. There is also a brand new documentary about the Life of Brian controversy scheduled to air soon in what is to be "offensive comedy week". So plenty of stuff to fill a two-disc set, I think. The outtakes used in the criterion version look rather scratched most of the time, so that Umatic tape sounds all the more interesting. |
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Post by RWels on Jul 6, 2006 13:19:01 GMT
Speaking of outtakes, we all know that the "Brian" offcuts were dumped a few years ago, While the "Brian" film negs were trashed by Paragon, Terry J. used a tape of outtakes to pull "deleted scenes" for the laserdisc that was put out a few years ago. Recenty I uncovered a U-Matic of the "Brian" rough cut with temp tracks (incl. "Ben Hur" and speeded-up "Star Wars" for the spaceship sequence) which had the deleted material, and which is now in Terry J's hands -- if a DVD is ever re-done (i.e., HD/anamorphic transfer), they'll have better material to use for the special features. PS Also, I forgot to say: hurray, well done, how DO you manage to find these treasures! Seriously, how did this umatic tape survive? |
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Now we're about half through, I have to say there seems to be a completely illogical pattern in the picture quality: some episodes look exactly as you would expect from 30+ year old 2" tape - not all that bad, but not really good either. (But it doesn't look as bad as NTSC conversion.) Other episodes look as if they were recorded yesterday... Anyone for a good explanation? 