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Post by ianphillips on Sept 12, 2018 2:55:57 GMT
I realize now I made a mistake in my original post. It wasn't the Seeds of Death that was recovered from the BFI. It was the Dominators.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 12, 2018 5:14:52 GMT
I had thought it strange that the BFI was paying for material being wiped considering they are not an actual broadcaster. Enid Mawson is technically a hero as had she not given those unwanted film prints and negatives to the BFI they would not exist now. Some one please correct me if any of the story's given to the BFI were recovered in duplicate over the years I recall that Dominators 5 is held in a private collection. Plus there were those ones supposedly found in Taiwan, which included a few from season 6. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 12, 2018 8:48:13 GMT
I had thought it strange that the BFI was paying for material being wiped considering they are not an actual broadcaster. Enid Mawson is technically a hero as had she not given those unwanted film prints and negatives to the BFI they would not exist now. Some one please correct me if any of the story's given to the BFI were recovered in duplicate over the years I recall that Dominators 5 is held in a private collection. Plus there were those ones supposedly found in Taiwan, which included a few from season 6. Any more news on Ian Levine's Taiwan recoveries?Were they real or a hoax and where are they now?Any pictures of film cans or documentation to support their existence? Off-topic I know but I always thought Ian was in competition with Phillip Morris or it was some ruse to make him reveal any recoveries... |
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Post by Scot Ferre on Sept 12, 2018 10:30:03 GMT
I recall that Dominators 5 is held in a private collection. Plus there were those ones supposedly found in Taiwan, which included a few from season 6. Any more news on Ian Levine's Taiwan recoveries?Were they real or a hoax and where are they now?Any pictures of film cans or documentation to support their existence? Off-topic I know but I always thought Ian was in competition with Phillip Morris or it was some ruse to make him reveal any recoveries... The jury is out on that one. People may be leaning towards a hoax, but it’s never been clarified. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 12, 2018 11:25:00 GMT
Any more news on Ian Levine's Taiwan recoveries?Were they real or a hoax and where are they now?Any pictures of film cans or documentation to support their existence? Off-topic I know but I always thought Ian was in competition with Phillip Morris or it was some ruse to make him reveal any recoveries... The jury is out on that one. People may be leaning towards a hoax, but it’s never been clarified. Or seen...? |
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 12, 2018 16:19:44 GMT
And the original source of the Taiwan prints stopped commenting on it many years ago now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 20:54:37 GMT
Extremely upsetting that the remainder of this story is still - to this day - missing. Why it was even junked is beyond me.
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 12, 2018 23:01:22 GMT
I agree considering its last sale was to Zambia in 1976 you would have thought the BBC would hold on to the negatives till at least 1981. I thought I have read many times over the years that if the BBC had a sale on an item the films or negatives were retained in case they had to replace a damaged film print?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 13, 2018 4:53:51 GMT
I agree considering its last sale was to Zambia in 1976 you would have thought the BBC would hold on to the negatives till at least 1981. I thought I have read many times over the years that if the BBC had a sale on an item the films or negatives were retained in case they had to replace a damaged film print? The sale to Zambia was early 1976, and it aired soon after. The rights expired in March/April (seven years after UK TX). Ents junked the negs, and Zambia either returned the prints or junked them locally. Either way, no negs or prints were at Enterprises when Whose Doctor Who was in production by the end of the year. It's all quite neat and tidy really, and is a good example of the process in operation and working properly. Of course the same should have happened to Seeds of Death and War Games, both also sold to Zambia at the same time, and rights expiring that year; except that Ents for some reason didn't dispose of the negs or the prints, and held onto them for a bit longer (and clips were used in Whose Doctor Who), and by January 1978 the War Games negs had been donated to the BFI, and the Seeds negs were stuck on a shelf in Villiers House, which is where they were sitting when Ian Levine called by a little later... |
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 13, 2018 7:20:16 GMT
I get it that Zambia aired the show shortly after it purchased the serial. My perhaps rather silly point is that a sale usually included 1 repast and up to 5 years to air the repeat. So if Zambia had decided in say 1979 to use up that repeat broadcast they in theory could have called up Enterprises and said we had a damaged or lost print of any of the episodes and requested a replacement. As BBC Enterprises had a valid sales contract they should have kept the negatives in the event another print was needed in an emergency. True they could no longer offer the story to another country but Zambia had a repeat option if it wanted to use it still 1981
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Post by PAUL COTTON on Sept 13, 2018 7:49:20 GMT
Phil Morris commented in an interview(recorded at a convention and put online) that the Zambian copy of The Space Pirates had been held quite late in Zambia. I don't have a link to the interview.
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Sept 13, 2018 19:21:52 GMT
I get it that Zambia aired the show shortly after it purchased the serial. My perhaps rather silly point is that a sale usually included 1 repast and up to 5 years to air the repeat. So if Zambia had decided in say 1979 to use up that repeat broadcast they in theory could have called up Enterprises and said we had a damaged or lost print of any of the episodes and requested a replacement. As BBC Enterprises had a valid sales contract they should have kept the negatives in the event another print was needed in an emergency. True they could no longer offer the story to another country but Zambia had a repeat option if it wanted to use it still 1981 As far as I can recall, only ABC in Australia purchased DW with a 1 tx + 1 repeat option. None (or practically none) of the other overseas sales included a repeat option. Regards, Richard |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 13, 2018 19:36:48 GMT
I get it that Zambia aired the show shortly after it purchased the serial. My perhaps rather silly point is that a sale usually included 1 repast and up to 5 years to air the repeat. So if Zambia had decided in say 1979 to use up that repeat broadcast they in theory could have called up Enterprises and said we had a damaged or lost print of any of the episodes and requested a replacement. As BBC Enterprises had a valid sales contract they should have kept the negatives in the event another print was needed in an emergency. True they could no longer offer the story to another country but Zambia had a repeat option if it wanted to use it still 1981 I'm not sure where those two highlighted bits comes from. A repeat wasn't an automatic right with a purchase. Most stations just bought one screening (in those countries where TV is on a regional basis -- like Zambia! -- are not considered to be 'repeats'). AFAICR, only Australia and Mexico acquired a repeat as part of the initial purchase of Hartnells. No other country did. The BBC had a sales window of 7 years on season 6. Those rights expired in 1975 and 1976 (depending on the UK tx being 1968 or 1969). Zambia was the last minor Commonwealth sale to meet the quota on the last three serials, and the rights expire in mid 1976. After those eps had screened (and there was no call for replacement prints to go to Zambia), the BBC was free to junk the negs and any prints since there would not be any further sales or the need for replacement prints after that. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 13, 2018 19:38:25 GMT
Phil Morris commented in an interview(recorded at a convention and put online) that the Zambian copy of The Space Pirates had been held quite late in Zambia. I don't have a link to the interview. By 1976 most other countries had moved on to colour Pertwee and Baker episodes. Zambia airing b/w Troughtons in 1976 was considered "late". |
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Post by Robert Lia on Sept 13, 2018 20:32:43 GMT
I stand corrected then. I know I read the bit about a repeat some where but I cant remember where I read it off the top of my head. I do know that when Jon Pertwee episodes aired in the Los Angeles Market starting in July 1975 we had one repeat of each story same with the Tom Baker episodes that aired starting in August 1978 we had like 5 runs of those story's.
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