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Post by Noele Gordon on Apr 20, 2006 9:01:50 GMT
Hi all,
Can anybody direct me to a site listing missing episodes of "Crossroads"?
I know that the first 500 or so are lost and I've heard that a lot of 1976 has gone the same way, but is there any information that deals with the specifics. Also heard that the shows are now in the capable hands of Yorkshire TV.
Cheers
Nolly
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Post by Spotty on Apr 20, 2006 10:58:08 GMT
Dont think there is one as such. This site may help you though! www.crossroadsappreciationsociety.org.uk/The newer Crossroads episodes will be at YTV in Leeds with most of the older stuff down at Granada International at Perivale. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2006 11:37:54 GMT
I know that the first 500 or so are lost and I've heard that a lot of 1976 has gone the same way, but is there any information that deals with the specifics. Also heard that the shows are now in the capable hands of Yorkshire TV. A lot more than the first 500 are lost unfortunately. There are only a handful surviving from the '60s in all and not many more than that for each year until around the mid '70s, when there start to be more larger numbers for each year. |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Apr 20, 2006 11:49:51 GMT
ihave vhs mint condition crossroads with 3 episodes on it 1975/81 interested?
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Post by Noele Gordon on Apr 20, 2006 12:01:36 GMT
I'm guessing it's the VHS of Meg's Wedding, The Fire and Meg's Farewell that you mean. Already got that, but many thanks for your offer. That video's what got my fascination started!
Do you mean that the Carlton made series is at YTV and the ATV/Central (64-88) series is at Perivale then?
Just interested as I have an episode, very early colour, and not in the best of conditions, but it may be of interest to YTV or Granada, although as a timecode is in shot I'm guessing it's one from the archive. I also have three episodes from, I think, 1977 dealing with a young asian girl getting together with a young white lad and all the tensions it creates. Good stuff, although I imagine it's in the archives to. (The Malik family, I think they're called.) Bound to end up on the next Network release like the majority of interesting stuf I have!
By the way, anybody know anything about the idea of the series being revived again? I've heard the rumour and rather doubt it, although I guess anything's possible.
If anyone has further information on what is and what isn't in existence I'd be very grateful.
Cheers.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Apr 20, 2006 12:21:09 GMT
yes its the same video,im waiting for a cheapish dvd over on amazon marketplace.
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Post by Spotty on Apr 20, 2006 14:35:17 GMT
Do you mean that the Carlton made series is at YTV and the ATV/Central (64-88) series is at Perivale then? Cheers. In theory Crossroads programmes pre-1982 should be at Granada International, Perivale and post-1982 programmes (incl. the Carlton made series 2 & 3) will be at YTV. |
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Post by Helpful person on Apr 20, 2006 17:44:22 GMT
Meridian TV told me that ALL Granada-owned programmes (even the Southern regional collection) is now at YTV, with the defunct studios converted into archive space. All Crossroads should therefore be there, along with the archives of all companies that Granada bought up - with the possible exception of HTV Wales, which has remained in Wales for now.
Soon, everything they have will appear on the ITV Archive website, where you can buy anything at £200 per half hour (if you can give them a good enough reason).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2006 22:05:01 GMT
I was under the impression that Southern material copyright rested with someone else (not Granada) and that the archive resided in the south of England and / or in the States. Is Mike Wormersley still visiting this site? Perhaps you can enlighten us further to the current rights situation with the Southern TV archive, Mike? (For those that don't know, Mike worked at Southern on, amongst other things, Freewheelers).
The problem with the ITN database is that it is just a listing of ITV programmes and not a conclusive indication as to whether it exists in the archive or not. Very confusing.
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Post by Mike Garrett on Apr 20, 2006 22:59:31 GMT
Somone on the Crossroads forum (crossroadsnetwork.co.uk/forum) has said the Southern archive is owned by Disney.
Anyway, YTV have said some of Crossroads is with them, but apparently they are storing a lot of programmes in Bradford at the BFI.
YTV are looking for any episodes of Crossroads taped off-air or copies, as they want to find any missing episodes.
I'm not sure about the Asian family episodes, I know they at the time were quite ground breaking, the family frowning upon the relationship and all that. It would be nice for those to go onto DVD if they are there (And if not, I suppose the VHS copies could make for extras.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2006 9:11:24 GMT
Somone on the Crossroads forum (crossroadsnetwork.co.uk/forum) has said the Southern archive is owned by Disney. Anyway, YTV have said some of Crossroads is with them, but apparently they are storing a lot of programmes in Bradford at the BFI. YTV are looking for any episodes of Crossroads taped off-air or copies, as they want to find any missing episodes. I'm not sure about the Asian family episodes, I know they at the time were quite ground breaking, the family frowning upon the relationship and all that. It would be nice for those to go onto DVD if they are there (And if not, I suppose the VHS copies could make for extras.) When you mentioned that YTV said Crossroads was with "them", Mike, did you mean "them" Yorkshire or "them" Disney? I can read that to mean either. Disney sounds right as the owner of Southern, as I think previously I heard that Fox (part of Disney) had some of the archive, although not nessesarily all of it. Exactly which parts are kept by whom, i'm not sure though. Sounds very complex. I fear that a lot of Southern's own programming is trapped in an ownership hell (I hope not though as i'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a season 1 Freewheelers DVD set!) On the subject of ATV, it's also been established previously that there are still large caches of their material that have remained uncatalogued over the years - I wonder if this is still the case? I know a while back Carlton were doing a kind of audit and recalling every outpost that had ATV material stored with it. Has this now all been brought under one roof (YTV?) and logged? Can anyone enlighten us? How do YTV (of all people) figure in this sudden episode hunt / archiving project of an ATV series? |
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Post by Hugo Danby on Apr 21, 2006 10:43:31 GMT
I wouldn't think much progress has been made on the subject of cataloguing ATV (or Central/Carlton) material. When YTV started taking in the archives from Carlton and others I understand they had a total staff of three people working in the new "ITV Archive" in Leeds. I doubt if they've taken on extra staff but in any case it would be a massive & costly undertaking to catalogue the ATV archive properly.
Under Carlton International (and Central Television Enterprises before) attempts were made at some sort of audit of programmes but I dont know if they were ever completed. Anyway they were never going to be thorough audits as I believe they never even looked at programmes archived in the Midlands (Birmingham & Nottingham).
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Post by Mike Garrett on Apr 21, 2006 10:56:42 GMT
Well apparently Southern and Westward had copies of Crossroads (due to showing it earlier in the day than the ATV broadcast) and they are trying to find out if these are episodes that are already at YTV or ones that were previously lost.
YTV do seem to be spending money on this, they've contacted every station Crossroads was ever aired on around the world so it does seem they are serious.
I think the reason Yorkshire are dealing with this, is simply due to the fact they've been given the ATV catalogue to care for. (I don't know if every ATV programme is under YTV's control.)
I'm still trying to find out where the stills from episode one have gone (last seen on Crossroads Revisited in 1985) as it does seem a lot has gone missing which really, shouldn't have.
It is whether people like it or not, one of ITV's longest running programmes and has up until now been treated quite badly.
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Post by Helpful person on Apr 21, 2006 11:29:47 GMT
The Southern entertainment collection is owned by Southern Star and still resides in a storage centre in the south of England.
The TVS entertainment collection is owned by a US company, hence the Disney references. I believe the films have actually been taken to the US- since none of them were used on 50 Years of ITV in the South last year.
The Southern, Meridian and TVS regional programmes are all at YTV and are being catalogued now. I know this for a fact. Granada have joint copyright to these along with Southern Star.
The Southern,Meridian and TVS news clippings and bulletins are still at Meridian's tiny base.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2006 12:21:00 GMT
Well apparently Southern and Westward had copies of Crossroads (due to showing it earlier in the day than the ATV broadcast) and they are trying to find out if these are episodes that are already at YTV or ones that were previously lost. It is whether people like it or not, one of ITV's longest running programmes and has up until now been treated quite badly. Don't forget also, Mike, that London area ITV (Thames) screened Crossroads six months behind the rest of the country. This went on from 1968, when the franchise passed from Rediffusion, until about the mid '70s (this was how I watched the show myself at that time). So there could be additional copies from yet another source too. Also, has there been any word on whether the episodes from which clips were used in an '80s doc officially exist or not? Clips i'm referring to include one of Carols' twin falling to his death from the Eiffel Tower. I saw this doc myself but the some of the episodes it sourced for clips don't seem to be among those that officially reside in the archive as yet. I agree totally that Crossroads, a long-running and popular show, has been given a very bad deal archivally up till now. |
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